I think the problem lies in the fact people think pyramid provides rails and it's actually not the case. Not that pyramid should not provide higher level tools but at this stage it's not pyramid goal. I also think pyramid should be used for multiple higher level frameworks with their own opinions, not only one, that's the beauty of pyramid multiple ways of doing things and what khufu and akhet promise.
Same apply for docs, they are not perfect but they're great and lower level than what new comers expect. I see other set of guides and tutorials build independently to fill this gap by providing quick- start, opinions and patterns. Different level of docs for different level of concepts and users. Pyramid installs dependencies instead of having a lot of them built in like django, I personally don't care if it installs 3 or 15 packages and I don't count all other packages I install for database, forms, mail and other functionalities... do really people care about that? At this point it appears we really need basic introduction opinionated guides that get people quickly started without knowing lower-level mechanics and decision choices. - Blaise -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-devel@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to pylons-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-devel?hl=en.
