I'd be interested in participating on this as well Chris.

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On 11/5/10 3:07 PM, "Chris McDonough" <chr...@plope.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike...I don't have much technical input on such a thing right now,
> but we've been threatening to do this for a while:
> 
> http://lists.repoze.org/pipermail/cmf3k/
> 
> We've actually had two in-person sprints on it, but it's a large job and
> not much was produced, at least not much that is very consumable by a
> "civilian".
> 
> I think it would be useful to concentrate on some sort of "repository"
> in which to store content first (as most everything else depends on
> having some normalized way to store and query content).  We actually
> have tentative committments from some existing Plone folks to do a
> sprint by years end on that topic.  Some spike code is here:
> 
> http://svn.repoze.org/repoze.itory/trunk/
> 
> I'll keep you notified about sprint timing and such, as I hear of it.
> 
> - C
> 
> On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 14:58 -0700, Mike Orr wrote:
>> I've started wondering about porting a subset of Plone to Pyramid.
>> Pylons has long lacked a full-featured CMS package. While Plone can be
>> mounted as a sub-URL or vice-versa, it's still really big and
>> different and harder to extend. As a programmer I'd be interested in
>> making custom Plone products for my site, but the learning curve of
>> doing that, plus adjusting the site templates, plus figuring out where
>> in ZODB your data is stored in case you want to extract it later -- is
>> daunting enough that my own website (Cheetah-built static) has been
>> languishing unimproved for three years -- and I keep not writing blog
>> entries or posting photos because I'm tired of the clunky old
>> software.
>> 
>> So my choice has been (A) use Plone, or (B) build my own CMS. But
>> Plone is so big, and so different from my normal Pylons work. As for
>> building my own CMS, Plone has hundreds of expert programmers, user
>> interface designers, and CMS specialists behind it -- I can't possibly
>> make something a tenth as good. But if some Plone experts are willing
>> to help, we could identify the minimum design requirements for a basic
>> Plone-like CMS, and how to make it scalable so that more features can
>> be borrowed from Plone later. I'm not sure how much Plone code can be
>> borrowed directly, vs how much would have to be reimplemented. I'm
>> looking for something in the Pyramid/Pylons spirit, without too much
>> large Zopisms. So maybe stick with ZODB but don't take the whole kit
>> and keboodle. Every part of the database should be documented, so that
>> the data is easily extractable. Maybe these docs already exist for
>> Plone/Zope, but finding them and distinguishing between relevant vs
>> irrelevant docs is a big task for a newbie.
>> 
>> My vision is a basic page editor supporting HTML, ReST, TinyMCE and
>> other formats. Versioning between "unfinished", "published", and "next
>> version". (Full history would be nice but not strictly necessary.)
>> Arbitrary URL hierarchy (sections, subsections). A default set of page
>> attributes with a form, and a way to extend it. (E.g., for specific
>> types of documents like book reviews, which would have additional
>> attributes.)  A comments system. A simple but scalable auth system.
>> Bulk import of a static site. Multiple-sized image thumbnails. A UI
>> something like the Plone tabbed UI. Those are the main features I'd be
>> looking for in the first phases.
>> 
>> This could be a first big project for Pyramid if it's feasable.
>> Anybody want to help design the specs and identify the resources?
>> 
>> Replies to pylons-devel.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mike Orr <sluggos...@gmail.com>
>> 
> 


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