Hi Mike, Mike Orr wrote: > Ugh, you really expect people to want to memorize this? Sessions are > supposed to be built into megaframeworks, not require some obscure > import. "I think I'll just use Rails instead; it's more > straightforward."
The problem at the moment is worse, people start using Pylons having heard how obvious/customisable it is and then can't work out where something simple like a helper comes from. They then get frustrated and think about using something else. Your concern about people not remembering where things come from can easily be solved with some cheat sheets (which I'd be happy to create). Explicit imports also make it more obvious to the user how they can replace some Pylons default with another which is a good thing. My point of view is that there are enough people confroming to the framework norm and trying to make things *appear* easy whereas for me, Pylons is more about things actually being easy because no-one is trying to over-simplify things or produce convenient abstractions that hide what's really going on. I don't object to abstractions or simplifications that don't hide what's going on, they are great, but the moment a user with basic Python knowledge can't work out how something in Pylons works then I think that's a problem. Explicit imports seem one step along the road to making the Pylons internals more obvious to a basic Python programmer so that seems a good thing to me. Incidentally I really dislike things like the @validate decorator too for a similar reason, it actually hides what's going on too much and decorators in general are harder for people to get their heads around than functions. I think things like @validate should be an ordinary function in Pylons. If people want to use it as a decorator in their own apps and they understand decorators they can easily write their own @validate decorator which uses Pylons' validate() function. That way beginners won't get put off and experts don't loose any power. That's my view of the world anyway and hopefully explains some of my motivations. Cheers, James -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-devel" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-devel?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
