Hi all, Thanks for raising this. We're working on a general policy for use of the public wiki that will be posted on the website.
Best, Betsy On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:59 AM Steve Holden <[email protected]> wrote: > Escalate this to Board? There are clearly sponsorship issues to be > considered, and I know Packt generates a portion of revenues to the > Foundation so this needs to be considered where all the information is > available. Copying PSF staffers in. > > As a member of the sponsorship committee I believe it's time for the > Foundation to plant a clear stake in the ground, delete many or even all of > the references to Packt publications and publish a blog post stating why > the action was taken. > > I believe Packt have taken advantage of a liberal regime, but I think > rather than being punitive we should simply "reset" them: our fault for not > being clearer about the rules, now EVERYBODY knows what they are let's > start again. Or maybe we just need wiki editors to start giving their > publications some honest reviews. I withdrew as an editorial consultant > from one proposed work that still went ahead despite > serious quality issues, and I have heard enough similar stories from other > authors/reviewers that I believe Packt's actions may be against the > membership's interests in promoting works of dubious value. The ultimate > decision, however, is well above my now happily lowly pay grade. > > Given that I start my Christmas vacation tomorrow evening, let me take > this opportunity to wish all readers the very best of everything over their > festive season, and a prosperous new year. > > Kind regards, > Steve Holden > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 8:58 AM M.-A. Lemburg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Agreed. We had this discussion before, but no action was taken AFAIK. >> >> On 15.12.2019 13:48, Steve Holden wrote: >> > They've already been warned once. >> > >> > Personal opinion: they should be stopped from spamming our Wiki, in >> > which they currently have undue prominence. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > Steve Holden >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:20 AM Mats Wichmann <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > On 12/14/19 9:55 PM, Frances Hocutt wrote: >> > > Hello all, >> > > >> > > While going through the wiki working on Python 3 updates, I >> noticed >> > > that these two pages now stretch to hundreds of books from a >> single >> > > publisher: >> > > >> > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks >> > > https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks >> > > >> > > This seems like it runs into spamming/broad self-promotion more >> than a >> > > usefully curated list of resources, but I'm not familiar with how >> this >> > > wiki usually handles that kind of thing. Could someone more >> familiar >> > > with this wiki take a look? >> > >> > We do have one publisher - Packt - that keeps updating all the time. >> > They produce books at an astounding rate. I've looked at a fair >> number >> > and they're not useless, although they're of fairly low quality in >> my >> > personal opinion - it's a kind of "book mill". >> > >> > I haven't a clue what we think we should do about them. I think we >> > warned them a few times about changing the sorting to put their >> > books at >> > the top, and believe they stopped that and kept to the "alphabetical >> > order" we suggest. Beyond that... don't think we can say they're >> doing >> > something wrong. Without someone curating the list for quality, >> > which we >> > don't have, it's not clear there's any actual complaint we can make. >> > >> > Thanks for asking - it's a good question. >> > >> > Anybody else? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pydotorg-www mailing list >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pydotorg-www mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www >> > >> >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg >> Python Software Foundation >> http://www.python.org/psf/ >> http://www.malemburg.com/ >> > -- Betsy Waliszewski Event Planner / Sponsorship Coordinator @ThePSF As a non-profit organization, the PSF depends on sponsorships and donations to support the Python community. Check out our Annual Impact Report for more details: https://www.python.org/psf/annual-report/2019/ Please contribute to PSF; we can't continue our work without your support! https://www.python.org/psf/donations/
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