Hello Rui! Wow, that is more than strange.
On my Macbook the resolution value is there. Between "Dimensions" and "Color Space". I only had to find the best value fort he OCR Front Window macro, because the display-size is 15.4 inches. But setting it to 16, everything is there an clickable. 1. Both machines run Keyboard Maestro 8 and the same/latest VOCR build? 2. Did you - by accident - turn on the screen curtain? Try VO+Shift+F11. 3. Is the display turned off or disabled somehow? 4. Is the finder window set to column view? Otherwise the presentation of the file details is different. Please double chek and confirm the resolution issue. Best! / Martin > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Rui Vilarinho > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro 9.0 > > Hello Martin, > 1. Yes, no resolution value. > 2. 13 inch, the same size value that renamed the OCR front window. > > Best, Rui > > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > No dia 30/08/2019, às 09:34, Martin (Punky) Sopart <[email protected]> > escreveu: > > > Hello Rui! > > > > For the Mac Pro the results are consequent, when comparing the Mac Pro > and mini. > > > > Regarding your Macbook... > > > > 1. Is the resolution value for the Screenshot.png file also missing? > > > > 2. What is the size of the Macbooks display and what size-value did you > entered for the "OCR Front Window"? > > > > Best! / Martin > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >> On Behalf Of Rui Vilarinho > >> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 7:47 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro 9.0 > >> > >> Hello Martin and all, > >> Something is wrong with this VOCR bug theory. > >> As regards to the test you suggested I get the following curious data: > >> In fact, on my Mac Pro, the screen shot png file resolution definition is > >> missing. > >> Plus, the quit and rescan firmware updater buttons are also missing. > >> Although, now it goes the curious part: > >> I tested on a MacBook Pro and got the exactly same missing results. > >> So, the same happen on a MacPro with no display and on a MacBookPro > with > >> a display. Both are late 2013 owith High Sierra. > >> Further more, anyhow, its possible to perform mouse clicks on both > >> machines. > >> > >> I only didn’t request a sighted person to tell me if the mention resolution > >> definition and the quit and rescan buttons in fact are visible on the > >> screen. > >> Do you have that confirmation? > >> Well,what this could mean? > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> > >> Best, Rui > >> > >> > >> Enviado do meu iPhone > >> > >> No dia 24/08/2019, às 11:22, Martin (Punky) Sopart > <[email protected]> > >> escreveu: > >> > >>> Hello Rui! > >>> > >>> Yes, you are right. > >>> No mouse clicks on a Mac mini when using VOCR. > >>> Tested with 2 machines. > >>> > >>> Please try the KK firmware updater app on your Mac Pro. > >>> You can do this without having such a device connected. > >>> All instructions are listed in my last mail. > >>> > >>> Best! / Martin > >>> > >>> > >>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 11:46, ruivilarinhomusic > <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Martin, > >>> Although, I dont own yet a Konplete Kontrol, thanks anyway. Let's see if > I > >> get one soon. > >>> Anyhow, I've been using a lot the VOCR and as I told you curiously I can > >> press mouse clicks with success here and there. > >>> You never achiev that on your Mac mini, is that correct? > >>> > >>> Best, Rui > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> P. S. I dont know what I was thinking to swap fire Wall by firmware! > grin. > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin (Punky) Sopart" > >> <[email protected]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:47 AM > >>> Subject: RE: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro 9.0 > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello Rui! > >>>> > >>>> I copied the Komplete Kontrol firmware updater app into my Dropbox > for > >> you and other testers. > >>>> > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fizw7g0ljsxzfg5/KKS_MK2_Firmware_Updater. > >> zip?dl=0 > >>>> > >>>> Just unpack the zip and you'll get the app with no need to install > anything. > >>>> If you own a Komplete Kontrol device, please disconnect it before > >> starting. > >>>> After opening the app and using VOCR you should find two buttons at > the > >> bottom of the VOCR result window. > >>>> These are labeled "Quit" and "Rescan". > >>>> Now press the "Quit" button by performing a mouse click and you > should > >> get back to the Finder window you started from. > >>>> > >>>> If so, congratulation, VOCR is working. > >>>> > >>>> If the two buttons are missing or the mouse click fails, we can assume > that > >> the Mac Pro has the same issue like the Mac mini. > >>>> No fix for it so far. > >>>> In my case I sold my brand new mini at a major loss and bought the > >> current Macbook Pro 15 inch. > >>>> > >>>> Good luck! / Martin > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> On Behalf Of ruivilarinhomusic > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:02 PM > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro 9.0 > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Martin, > >>>>> Indeed I confirm the same missing "resolution" data. > >>>>> Appears the "Dimension; > >>>>> 1703 times 2361; > >>>>> folow by tag editer. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway, curiously I'm able to click here and there but we never know > >> what > >>>>> I'm missing. > >>>>> > >>>>> Did you resolved this issue with that Firmeware you mention? > >>>>> Although I have it turn off if not my interface driver wont work. > >>>>> Hmm... > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, Rui > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Martin (Punky) Sopart" <[email protected]> > >>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:08 AM > >>>>> Subject: RE: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro 9.0 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello Rui! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sounds interesting. > >>>>>> Maybe things are different between Mac mini and Pro. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Check the following: > >>>>>> Open your user folder in column view and turn quicknav on. > >>>>>> You should find a file called Screenshot.png, created by VOCR. > >>>>>> Press RightArrow once to enter the files informations area. > >>>>>> Press DownArrow until you reach "Dimensions" and after it > >> "Resolution". > >>>>>> Do you get both informations? > >>>>>> On a Mac mini one information is missing and that causes VOCR to > fail > > >> in > >>>>>> some situations. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best! / Martin > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>> On Behalf Of ruivilarinhomusic > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:24 AM > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro > 9.0 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Martin, thanks, > >>>>>>> Although, I must say that I manage to VOCR and mouse click and > >> > >> open a > >>>>>>> couple of Kontakt and Melodyne plugin new windows. > >>>>>>> Most of those windows open behind Logic pro plugin window and > >> are > >>>>>>> totaly > >>>>>>> inaccessible, need to use once again the VOCR of course and > usually > >>>> with > >>>>>>> success. > >>>>>>> What do you think? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best, Rui > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Martin (Punky) Sopart" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:50 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: RE: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro > 9.0 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello Rui! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you want to test a littel more, I could send you the KK firmware > >>>>>>>> updater. > >>>>>>>> This was the referrence app for Chi and my when exploring the > >> VOCR > >>>>>>> issues > >>>>>>>> for Mac minis. > >>>>>>>> And you do not need a KK device to run this small app. > >>>>>>>> Finally the encountered issues are on behalf of Apple and not a >> > > > >> failure > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> VOCR. > >>>>>>>> If things are consequent and logic, you should have the same > issues > >>>>> on > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> Mac Pro. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best! / Martin > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of ruivilarinhomusic > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:15 PM > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro > >> 9.0 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Martin, > >>>>>>>>> I just spend the last hours testing VOCR, well, I believe that >> > >> > >> it's > >>>>>>>>> working > >>>>>>>>> here. > >>>>>>>>> To make sure I tested within iTunes, I used the mouse click >> > >> > >> VOShift > >>>>>>>>> SpaceBar on the library button and the preferences close > button > >>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> expected result. > >>>>>>>>> Although within the Logic Pro Plugin View indeed any mouse > >> > >>>> click > >>>>>>>>> wont > >>>>>>>>> do nothing. > >>>>>>>>> And I didnt manage to make it work within the Kontakt stand > >> alone > >>>>>>>>> also. > >>>>>>>>> It could be because the words that VOCR gives arent buttons or > >>>>> menus? > >>>>>>> Or, > >>>>>>>>> perhaps because exist transparent windows?! I dont know! > >>>>>>>>> Strangely, I question, shouldnt the mouse cursor folow the > VOCR > >>>>>>> coordnads > >>>>>>>>> ? > >>>>>>>>> Thinking here, exist any chance of making a hotkey that jumps > >> > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> mouse > >>>>>>>>> cursor to the VOCR desire spot? > >>>>>>>>> I even tried with VoiceOver hotspots but with no luck. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Perhaps I'll try to creat my first hotkey or makro. I'm reading >> > >> > >> the > >>>>>>>>> tutorial . > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> As regards to renaming the front view inchs makro , well, I did > >>>>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>> Chi > >>>>>>>>> suggested and it seems that indeed the feedback is diferent > either > >>>>>>>>> inch > >>>>>>>>> size. For now I checked it for 19 inchs. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Lastly, do anyone use with success the Logic Pro Kontakt >> >> > >> plugin > >>>>>>>>> view > >>>>>>>>> makros that Slau nicely shared? > >>>>>>>>> I'm yet reading the Keyboard Maestro tutorial, anyhow, what > >> > >>>> changes > >>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>> I make to make it work? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best regards, Rui > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "Martin (Punky) Sopart" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:05 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro > >> 9.0 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hello Rui! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Just for my interest... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> When using VOCR on your Mac Pro. Are you able to perform > >> reliable > >>>>>>>>> mouse > >>>>>>>>>> clicks? > >>>>>>>>>> I'm asking because this is not possible when using a Mac mini. > >>>>>>>>>> Regardless > >>>>>>>>>> if there is a display or a hdmi dummy is plugged in. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Best! / Martin > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/20/2019 7:15 PM, ruivilarinhomusic wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chi, > >>>>>>>>>>>> I just instal it and tested with good results. What a great >> > >> > >>>>> handy > >>>>>>>>>>>> tool, thanks a lot for that. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Although, I didnt renamed the front OCR makro because I > dont > >>>>>>>>>>>> quite > >>>>>>>>>>>> know the anser, I mean, what should I write concerning a > Mac > >>>>>>>>> Pro > >>>>>>>>>>>> using > >>>>>>>>>>>> a HDMI adaptor display here? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Rui > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chi Kim" > >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:41 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stay Away from KM9: VOCR with Keyboard > >> Maestro > >>>>> 9.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> KM 9 has a bug where if you import macros, some macros > get > >>>>>>>>> imported > >>>>>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>>>>>>> its own group. For example, if you install Flo Tools, this >> > >> > >>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>>>> create > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 800 something groups, and it will be hard to get rid of all >> > >> > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> those. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This happens to other macros not just Flo Tools. What's > even > >>>>>>>>>>>>> more > >>>>>>>>>>>>> confusing is that this only happens to some macros, not all > >>>>>>>>>>>>> macros, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what's causing it. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, it's not installers' bug because even if >> > >> > >>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>>>> open > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the exported macro file without an installer, it has the same > >>>>>>>>>>>>> effect. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter is busy squashing other bugs in KM9, but he > promised > >> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> look > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> as soon as he can. If he finds the fix, it'll be included in >> > >> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> next > >>>>>>>>>>>>> release. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you like, you can purchase the KM9 update for the >> >> > >> > >>>> promotion > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rate, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't install it yet. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay tuned, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chi > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/19/2019 4:36 AM, Martin (Punky) Sopart wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Rui! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not install VOCR or Flo Tools on top of Keyboard > Maestro > >>>>>>>>>>> 9. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did and have to use Timemachine :-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we have to wait for new KM9 ready installers > of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VOCR > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Flo Tools. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best! / Martin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of ruivilarinhomusic > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 4:09 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ProToolsAccessList <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: VOCR with Keyboard Maestro 9.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope all are doing ok. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I finally decided to instal VOCR. Is it working fine with >> > >> > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keyboard Maestro > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.0? Can i upgrade? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using HighSierra here. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that updated? Download VOCR at: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/chigkim/VOCR/archi... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting Started: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/chigkim/vocr > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance any tip or suggestion ! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rui Vilarinho > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed > to > >> the > >>>>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > >>>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> . > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ptaccess/BA3C624F20964A3DA407FA09 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9034D852%40LG > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > 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