Is there a twenty-fiver for the Mark 2 now? Interesting.
On 6/27/2018 3:53 PM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
Hi Steve
This sounds promising. I already have a Yamaha motif XS8 and probably
could use it as midi keyboard on my mac. I found a good deal here in a
Swiss store (50% off) am thinking about buying NI Komplete 11 Ultimate
and just the smallest keyboard, the Kontrol S25 MKII. This would work,
right? Or is there a reason not to use two midi keyboards at the same
time?
*Von:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *Im
Auftrag von *Steve Matzura
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 16:44
*An:* [email protected]
*Betreff:* Re: AW: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
Ben,
Surprised to hear you had trouble with virtual instruments in Sonar,
as that was supposed to be one of its strong points. Granted, I never
ventured far afield from the provided set of virtual instruments, but
the few I did have, such as the full version of Rapture, and
Hypersonic, gave me no trouble.
Andre's demo of Komplete Kontrol is now quite out of date in that
Komplete 11 is far advanced from what 10 was at the time the demo was
recorded. It can still do everything the demo shows that it can, but
about two years later, there's now so much more. There are more
instruments, there's a new keyboard, more stuff that can be done with
the system as a whole, and there's even a guy out there who's making
NKS drop-in packages for some popular instrument suites such as the
Air Music Technology Xpand stuff, Spectrosonics' Omnisphere and
Keyscape, the Korg Legacy Collection, and Analog Labs 2 and 3,to name
a few. Companies are really starting to wake up to the NKS (Native
Komplete Standard) and delivering products that have it, giving
Komplete Kontrol users more access to more things than just those from
the KK package. For example, I have several Orange Tree Samples
guitars, and they all have NKS "snapshot" presets. If one is clever
and has access to some sighted assistance that can learn how to do it,
it's possible to create NKS presets for a plugin if it parameters are
exposable within Kontakt. In fact, there's a KK email list you might
be interested in joining wherein such matters are discussed. To
subscribe, send a blank email message to
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>. I have
also contacted Ruben Cornell who produces the Samplecast podcast and
asked him to please include mention of NKS compatibility in sample
libraries he reviews. I think for the most part he does so, as I'm
hearing more and more episodes of his podcast wherein NKS gets mentioned.
Good luck with your interface serch, and learning the Mac DAW
ecosystem, with its diverse access paths and architectures.
On 6/27/2018 3:26 AM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
Hi Steve
Thanks for your welcoming mail. I think you might have a rock solid
point there in being cautious so i’m not jumping in a new caketalking
situation. I’ll listen carefully what the others are suggesting and
will choose wisely. The real pain is that one these days just can’t
try things out anymore, at least in Switzerland where I live. I’m
certainly no audio engineer or professional. But I like to have their
tools because when I record something I don’t want to have noisy mic
preamps. So I’m looking for an audio interface which is good enough in
this wish category.
Oh yes, which DAW is more accessible might have been a slight stupid
question since I’m here LOL But I actually think your comment on
certain things which might be difficult in logic pro was very kind and
honest of you. I’ll keep that in mind and I think I’ll give both DAWS
a try. I don’t think you’re that crazy in using four DAWS. I do it all
the same with other programs and even hardware audio recorders.
I can’t see RME audio interface being very accessible on a mac,
because my fireface UC certainly was not when I tried. But since i’m
rather new to this OS I might have missed something there.
I probably should add that I have a mackie MCU Pro as a midi control
surface. However controlling TotalMix didn’t work so far when i tried.
And also, I never was able to control effects in sonar. Hope this will
be better in Pro tools or logic pro.
However I’m actually thinking about using hardware effect units rather
than software ones. Because I think they work much more stable and are
not prone to software changes etc. But this is a future thing.
It was nice to hear about yourself. Well, I really studied music at
music high school in a classical way. I’m oficially a church organist
and piano teacher. But I did also make CAS for composing and arranging
in classical and jazz/pop music. And I love to direct choirs and
arrange for them. I learned to read and write braille notation. So
music is actually my job. This however comes with the drawback that
the days where I could just sit on my motif XS and do what I wanted
are definitely over :-)
My courent situation is that I don’t have any good way to produce a
song professionally on the computer. If I had to do something I’d use
my motif XS. But I think I could do better today in 2018. So I’m lucky
enough that nobody has ordered me to do such a thing in a while. But I
know that this can’t go on forever. Virtual instruments weren’t that
accessible for me on windows. But I heard of native instruments
komplete and it’s midi keyboards which has built in accessibility. I
was thinking of getting this and then taking step by step.
Does NI Complete 11 really work well in reality? I heard a demo of
Andrew Louis on youtube and was quite impressed so far.
Thanks
Ben
*Von:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Steve Matzura
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 07:30
*An:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Betreff:* Re: Hello and first question accessible audio interfaces
Welcome,Ben:
As always, you will find there are many answerers and answers to your
questions.
As for the audio interface, there are several very accessible ones,
some with real knobs, buttons, and sliders, some with no hardware
controls at all, requiring a control surface to control them. This
latter solution will, of course, double the cost of the interface, but
the good side of that, if you can see it as one, is that control
surfaces can be used for controlling the audio interface and the DAW
with a simple button-press. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't sink a
lot of money into anything right away, especially the audio interface,
until I was rock-solid sure I was committed to this new stuff I just
bought. You don't want to get into another Sonar+CakeTalking situation
if you can avoid it, and I think you can. Focusrite and RME make some
very professional and accessible interfaces. On the less expensive
side, but not necessarily of relationally inferior quality, Behringer
has some good things, too. Folks in here will tell you their
preferences and reasons, I'm sure, as I said before. What do I use? A
Behringer X-Air 18 controlled by the Behringer X-Touch controller,
which I also use in two Windows DAW's. Four DAW's? Call me crazy, and
you'd probably not be alone, but for me, that's half the fun of it
since I'm not in it for business purposes--keeping up with the current
state of the art, so to speak.
As to which DAW is more accessible out of the box, well, that
question has been known to start wars (smile)! I'll keep my head below
the parapet and just remind you of where you're posting your messages,
and let you figure out what the answer will be from probably everyone
in here (LOL). That having been said, folks get work done in both
programs, but, OK, I'll poke my head up at the risk of getting it shot
off by Logic users, there are accessibility issues when editing audio
therein. Someone will also probably pop in and give a complete and
concise list of what can and can't be done accessibly in either DAW.
After that, I think it all comes down to workflow.
On the social side, what kinds of music do you make and teach? I've
had a lot of classical piano training, but tossed the idea of a career
in classical music aside for one in the computer biz instead, starting
long before accessibility was even a concept, let alone a popular
term. Music is what I would call a serious hobby for me--I'm kind of
like the folks with great big model railroad layouts in their
basements, always adding a new car, or spur track, or signalling
system. That's me all over the place, always adding and learning to
use new plugins and trying to learn how to play instruments with a
keyboard that don't have one in reality. I do keep up my technique by
practicing semi-regularly though. I have absolutely no composition or
creative skills of any kind, but I have an awful lot of fun making
some very interesting musical noises (LOL). I started out in the
eighties with DOS-based sequencing packages, and when Windows
accessibility became a thing, I, too, jumped on the Sonar+CakeTalking
bandwagon. I abandoned it in about 2009 or '10, aside from one project
I had to do in 2012 for a backing track for a vocal competition. The
Windows DAW scene changed for me in 2016 with the introduction of
accessibility for Samplitude, and improved accessibility for Reaper. I
got into, or onto, the Mac side about a year later with Logic,then
earlier this year with Pro Tools. By no means do I know any of those
four DAW's well, but I *can* get some so-called "real work" done in
them, and for me, that's enough.
On 6/27/2018 12:43 AM, Benjamin Blatter wrote:
Hello all
I’m a musician, composer and teacher. I got myself a mac a few
months ago. I bought Caketalk from Dancing dots a few years ago,
only to find out that it didn’t quiete work on my computer. Now
I’d like to give music production on the mac a try.
So, my first question here is about getting a fully accessible
audio interface. What are you using ? I’d like to have a really
professional device, 8 to 16 channels with digital capabilities.
And the interface should be really accessible, including software
mixer. For the last couple years I have an RME Fireface UC. I rely
on premade presets from a sighted person. For my mac audio
interface I’d like to have something I can manage myself, if this
is possible at all. I don’t mind buying extra hardware like a midi
controller for this to happen.
And I actually have a secondth question : I just did a little
experimenting with Logic Pro so far. And I was able to record a
small test track with the integrated instruments this program
offers in about 30 minutes of first use. This was pretty amazing.
But aside that I’m totally new and aks myself wheter I should
start using logic pro or pro tools for my work. I got here because
someone on the Dancing Dots list suggested me posting my audio
interface question on this list.
Which DAW is more accessible out of the box ? Because I never had
really good experience with jaws scripts using sonar I’m hoping
that both programs could be used without any scripts which just
work in a certain system configuration and so on.
I hope I don’t sound too pesimistic and frustrated, alltough I
admit that I was just that when I found out my purchase of
Caketalking was for nothing after much fiddling arround at the
end. But I’m willing to start anew on the mac. I like this OS so
far very much.
I’ve got a Macbook Pro 2015. And if things are working out fine
and I need more power in order to do my things I’m considering to
buy a mac pro, if there will be a new one eventually that is ...
So, thanks for your help and kind regards
Ben
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