someone :) should forward some of these to the DXP list ds
"Back, Norb" wrote: > > Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 > Service Pack 7 > > I think Altium should do a SP7, that way I would at lease be getting > something for the money I spent on DXP > > Norbert > > -----Original Message-----Service Pack 7 > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:35 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Cc: JaMi Smith > Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ? > > KLUNK ! ! ! > > I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some > kind of action on Service Pack 7, and I think that since it appears that > all else has failed, that maybe its time we should start making a some > more "noise" again. > > It worked for ATS (at least superficially) . . . > > The nicer, kinder, gentler, meeker, submissive, and more passive user > approach has gotten us nowhere in terms of fixing the remaining problems > with Protel 99 SE, and absolutely nothing except more refrains from the > "upgrade to Protel DXP" song and dance routine of some of the more > prominent users in this forum, almost as if they were either getting a > commission on DXP sales, or maybe even hoping that if they could get > enough new converts to DXP that Altium would fix it faster and even > possibly someday make DXP as productive as 99 SE (even with all of its > "warts") . . . . > > [insert primal scream here] > > ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Upgrading to DXP, even at this point in time, is not "upgrading", but > still actually "downgrading", in almost every sense. Yes, DXP may > someday actually become the super wazoo program it has the potential to > be, and even become a really functional alternative to 99 SE, and be > worth the price of admission, and even be worth the price of training > (or is that retraining), but it appears that at this point there are > still a number of DXP users that are still singing the blues and have > not yet seen the vision of the starry eyed and Altruistic Altium > faithful . . > > Alt[ruistic]ium . . . > > JaMi > > PS. While members of this forum see an occasional DXP sob story, or even > the occasional story of success, to really see what's happening with DXP > you need to join the DXP Forum, from the Altium website, where you can > see the daily problems and solutions. Even as just Protel 99 SE users > you should still be able to join the DXP forum (since you are a > potential DXP customer), just to monitor its progress as it were. > Interestingly, or possibly the word is unfortunately, it is still even v > ery difficult to log into the "official" DXP Forum website and review > all of the previous posts that are archived there, since a good number > of the posts are totally scrambled and unreadable, since it is still, > even at this time, unable to correctly display the all of the various > different email formats. > > * * * * * > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ? > > > As far as I know it was never fixed and it still hangs > > many many times on close so end process > > needs to be done to shut down a machine. > > > > Bob Wolfe > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ? > > > > > > > i believe there is both a in memory cache and an in schematic file > cache > > > > > > closing and reopening the file does not clear the memory cache as i > > > recall > > > > > > you have to close the whole protel session > > > i think this was cleaned up somewhere along the way so that i have > not > > > found it to be much of a problem > > > > > > please correct me if i am wrong about this behavoir > > > > > > Dennis Saputelli > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > This probably strays from your query, but from memory, there was a > > buglett > > > > (I'm not sure if it's been fixed) in that where you define the > default > > > > primitives in the schematic editor for schematic parts, one of the > > > > > PartFields was incorrectly mapped to another. Therefore, there > was one > > > > part field you could not define, and another that appeared twice. > What > > I > > > > do now at the end of a design is to do a global change to all > schematic > > > > parts and replace all part fields matched by: * with attributes: > {*=}. > > > > > > > > "...The weirdest thing however is that when I place the part, > delete it > > > > and > > > > then place it again all behaves as expected: non-hidden, blank > fields. > > > > Every subsequently placed instance of that part (wether left-click > or > > with > > > > > > > > a new place command) is then OK, even when rotated..." > > > > > > > > .... this mysterious behaviour may have to do with how Protel > caches > > > > placed library parts. Once you place a part in the schematic > editor, it > > > > is cached in memory somewhere (escapes me as to where exactly at > the > > mo). > > > > Even when you place a part supposedly from the library, it adopts > the > > > > cached part. This is overridden with the "update cached parts" > > function. > > > > > > > > I've also experienced Michael's situation once where an entire > databse > > > > file etc vanished. This occured when Protel crashed and gave the > option > > > > to "ignore and continue" or "close". This one time I chose to > close and > > > > it then kindly offered to save my work that had changed. The > mistake in > > > > this case is to select "save" (and destroy). > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > Brendon. > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > 09/18/03 02:00 AM > > > > Please respond to > > > > "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To > > > > "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > cc > > > > > > > > Subject > > > > Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ? > > > > > > > > I have noticed (and I have only been using 99 SE for a few months) > that > > it > > > > does indeed have Altzheimer's. I have had the program completely > erase > > my > > > > entire database (admittedly it wasn't large) including the > backups. > > > > > > > > I recently had a harddrive crash and had to reinstall Windows and > > Protel. > > > > Since then it has been MUCH better behaved. > > > > > > > > Michael Badillo > > > > > > > > From: Leo Potjewijd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed AM 08:08:16 EDT > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ? > > > > > > > > Hi again. > > > > > > > > I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of > P99SE(SP6). > > > > > > > > I set up my schematic libraries (all in one database) with custom > part > > > > field names: 'tolerance' for field 1, 'power/voltage' for field 2 > and > > > > 'class/rating' for field 3. > > > > Since these fields can be blank for a lot of parts, I further set > those > > > > fields to blanks in the default primitives dialog. I also > unchecked > > their > > > > 'hide' checkbox to facilitate later editing. > > > > > > > > When I place a part, the first time around these fields show up as > an > > > > asterisk on the same location as the part type; ie I have a value > and > > > > three > > > > asterisks on top of one another. > > > > The fields are not hidden (as expected), but the fields contain > > asterisks > > > > (which is NOT expected). > > > > > > > > When I rotate the part or left-click again the asterisks that > shouldn't > > be > > > > > > > > there in the first place suddenly show up at their normal position > > (which > > > > is _very_ strange, to say the least). > > > > > > > > The weirdest thing however is that when I place the part, delete > it and > > > > then place it again all behaves as expected: non-hidden, blank > fields. > > > > Every subsequently placed instance of that part (wether left-click > or > > with > > > > > > > > a new place command) is then OK, even when rotated... > > > > > > > > But when I place some other part from any library I'm back at > square > > one. > > > > > > > > Closing libraries, databases or restarting Protel doesn't help; > neither > > > > does 'update parts in cache' or 'update schematics'. > > > > > > > > Which brings me to these questions: > > > > Did I miss a setting somewhere? > > > > Did anyone see this before? > > > > Is there a solution to this? This is quite annoying..... > > > > > > > > Leo Potjewijd > > > > hardware designer > > > > IE Keyprocessor bv. > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > +31 20 4620700 > > > > > > -- > > > Dennis Saputelli > > > > > > ========= send only plain text please! - no HTML ========== > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > Integrated Controls, Inc. www.integratedcontrolsinc.com > > > 2851 21st Street tel: 415-647-0480 > > > San Francisco, CA 94110 fax: 415-647-3003 > > > -- Dennis Saputelli ========= send only plain text please! - no HTML ========== _______________________________________________________________________ Integrated Controls, Inc. www.integratedcontrolsinc.com 2851 21st Street tel: 415-647-0480 San Francisco, CA 94110 fax: 415-647-3003 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
