Mike: I appreciate your history and arguements. I am sympathetic with your struggles. You are the prime example of why I believe Altium is overstretching it's customers. Only Two years ago we were able to purchase Protel 99SE for substantially less than 8K and with full support (no additional cost). If say a small company like yours had projected a 5 year budget plan based on Protel prices two years ago, then recent price increases would have forced you to remain with an older version, or hopefully your profits could allow the additional expenditure, but it might make it hard to put bread on the table and make payments on the Miata.
Regards, Daniel > > In response to Daniel Websters comments : > > > This comment is very narrow in it's perspective, which leads me to think > that financial resources are not an issue for this user, perhaps working for > a large company with larger budgets, but does not take into account the many > smaller companies who have gone with Protel precisely because they operate > on restrictive budgets. This smug statement cuts like a knife into the > little guy trying to make a living for himself as a pcb design contractor. > Mike, I think your imagination needs to be expanded some ! > Daniel my friend, Oh how I only wished upon a star that I was major corporation. Surely with all those resources, I would be using a more expensive tool.... NOT I am a one man shop, my wife works with me as my business manager, I spend 25 percent of my time unpaid to do marketing, 10 percent on customer relations and wear many other hats that most engineers will never wear. I work 16 hour days, regularly, pay my own hospitalization, have a tuition reimbursement plan, retirement fund, pay for a mortgage in a very expensive neighborhood, all with the $8000.00 tool I purchased. I am competitive and professional in our market area only because I have factored Protel into my over head and not a $100,000 design tool. When I started my business, one other designer in this area started at the same time using Cadence . He mortgaged his house to borrow $70 K to finance CADENCE. The difference between him and me is, I understood the value of a dollar and the fact that I had make more than I spend in order to survive. Most engineers are clueless about running a business. This was my third attempt at starting a business, and I have been successful for the past 6 years, except that I have not expanded as I might have wished. But that is another story...I cant market full time and get any work done at the same time. My point here is I use Protel about 50 percent of the time that I am in my office. The rest of the time I am doing other tasks. I can only make real money with this tool when it is fully utilized. If I were to dedicate all of my time to lets say marketing, I would need to have a designer using Protel 100 percent of his time in order to pay his salary and mine. What I am really hearing on this thread is there are many of you who use the pcb tool once in while, pld once in while, schematic once in while , etc. I am getting at least 50 percent time on it. The only competitors that can beat my price or productivity are using pirated or stolen software. Most of the legitimate bureaus are using tools costing $50 -$100 K , I am using an $8000 tool. There are about 2000 hours in normal working year, My competitors need to recover $25- $50 per hour just to pay for their software. I need $4.00 an hour ( as much as it takes to feed a child in an impoverished country) . Don't tell me I don't understand the business model. $2k or $5 K is probably more to me than most companies. It means the difference between keeping my Miata or buying a Boxer which I am trying justify to my wife and business manager. I understand small companies and see many go belly up trying to establish a pcb department instead of subcontracting for services like this. Most managers don't have a clue that, beyond the cost of the software, there are plotter cost 5- 10 K, routers, office supplies, and a tons of other software needed to make a dept like this work. I have invested over $100K in software alone in 6 years. And despite that, I can afford to feed my poor child PROTEL for $4.00 an hour. You must be able to recover the cost before making the decision to purchase tools like this. Its that simple Then you wrote >........fear that I, along with many others, may be forced to look elsewhere for EDA software, due to the corporate greed monster that has swallowed up our beloved Protel. Where are you going to find $25- $50 / hour if you don't have 4 ? This is the cheapest tool on the market with or without a router Please Daniel don't be to upset at my reply....I tried to keep it light I just sound like Secy of Defense Rumsfeld allot these days Mike Reagan EDSI * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
