> 
> On Apr 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> 
> >> I am a VS2008 user and find this a good product.
> >
> > Microsoft fanboy! Microsoft fanboy! Doesn't matter that it's true!
> 
>       It may very well be a good product (haven't used the 08 version
> yet).
> It is still a single-platform product, and creates apps that are
> largely locked in to a single platform.

Wrong. It has an open interface and the Mono integration lets you create
applications that run on Linux or Mac as well as on Windows right inside
Visual Studio. RemObjects also has a version of Object Pascal that is "cross
platform" in that it will support Mono on all Mono supported platforms, and
the MS-specific stuff as well. RemObjects in partnership with Embacadero (or
whatever Borland is called these days) even provide a Visual Studio project
type that allows you to create Mono applications that use CocoaSharp for Mac
UIs, NIB files and all. F#, which will be build into VS2010, also runs on
Mono.

Mono wouldn't even be possible unless MS opened up the CLR to ECMA
standards, and I don't suppose I should point out that Silverlight also runs
on Mac. So the whole argument is rooted in apparently deliberate ignorance. 

> 
>       It is the attitude that *only* the Microsoft way of doing things
> should be followed that qualifies one as a fanboy, not the quality of
> any individual Microsoft product.

You MS haters should do your homework before you sing the same old Microsoft
sucks song.

I agree the operating system leaves a lot to be desired; as a developer it
is not always your friend </understatement>. But the CLR in all its flavors,
MS Windows and Mono, Portable.NET, etc., is an awesome compiler, language
and runtime technology in its own right.

That said, the Java Runtime is also maturing (I'm currently enamored of the
Scala and Clojure languages that run on the JVM), and so is Adobe AIR.

- Bob

> 
> 
> -- Ed
> 
> 
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