> I don't think you want a debate on party political principles. > Republicans > are the party that legalised torture and broke the geneva convention. > It's > going to take quite a while before they occupy the high moral ground. >
Water boarding is not torture. It's one of the most effective methods of interrogation shy of torture, but it does not cross the line. Sure this is a debatable point, but my considered opinion is that it is not torture. Indeed, our marines are trained to endure it as part of their field training. So if it's OK to train our troops to withstand this kind of interrogation technique, why is it not OK to perform it on enemy combatants who may have valuable intelligence that could prevent a civilian massacre from happening? How do you violate a Geneva convention against a band of thugs who defy national and political allegiance, and themselves murder, rape, and torture? It's an absurd standard. Truth is, I don't like any of this. War sucks. But the manufactured outrage over this was a political ploy designed specifically by our "loyal opposition" when they were in the minority to damage the moral credibility of our military and undermine support for our president, and it worked fantastically at getting them put in office, and exacerbating the world's jealousy and hatred of our success. Far worse things than these you shall see under Obama, only they won't be directed at terrorists, but rather our own people. Silencing of critics, mass murder of innocents, and attacks on our privacy, our right to assemble freely, and a whole lot more. (He's already signed an order that will let federal $$$ flow to organizations that perform and promote abortions abroad---so, I guess technically, he's already authorized murdering foreign babies with taxpayer money.) He is going right after privacy, freedom of press and religion, even in this so-called "stimulus" bill, and what he and his party are doing to the finances of our country make even Bush's most reckless financial decision -- and yes, he made many -- look prudent by comparison. The "stimulus" alone -- which is 93% pork and not stimulus -- is already twice the cost of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan after five years, and all it's about is creating a permanent class of unionized Democrat voters so they can keep power indefinitely, not about reviving our free market system. Some moral high ground, that. - Bob _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
