I always viewed dual citizenship/loyalties as the major issue---never really thought the birth cert thing would be the big question, personally.
I think dual loyalties is a valid issue because of his active campaigning for communist thug Raila Odinga for Kenya President in 2006/2007--on taxpayer dime no less. (Ever hear of the Logan Act?) Odinga claims they are cousins, but in any case I marveled that the issue never came up at all during any of the foreign policy debates. McCain is a complete deadbeat and I'm glad he lost on one level--except here we are with a real communist as President. I for one would like to know which of his "mainstream" advisers thought it was a good idea for him to meddle directly in the Kenyan election as a US Senator on behalf of a thug who spent jail time for a Soviet-supported coup attempt in 1982 and subsequently got his PM post this year after losing an election by 230K votes and staging deadly riots killing almost 2000 people till he got his way. The issue for me isn't "more important" than the Ayers issue so much as it informs and completes that issue, because it reveals the underlying philosophy of the man. As recently as 2006, Ayers was in Caracas praising Hugo Chavez's "education reform"... so clearly, they both have a very recent track record of supporting hard-core communist regimes and political movements. This is consistent with who got the money while they ran the Annenburg Chellenge and the Woods Foundation. The media's curious lack of curiosity about this and other aspects of Obama's background mystify me to this day. Obama and Ayers haven't drifted very far apart after all, nor were they ever very far apart philosophically from the beginning. I think their main disagreements may be only on the "how to's" not the "what-for's". You Obama people have no clue what you've elected, and what it means to our form of government and way of life. - Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Garrett Fitzgerald > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OT] McCain and Obama > > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 01:27, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Sure, that's why he won't produce a birth certificate, and he > Grandmother and two siblings > >say he was born in Kenya. Let's depose them under oath in a > courtroom. > > Um, he _did_ produce a birth certificate. > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas- > birth-certificate-part-ii/ > ----- > When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it > confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we > took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, > which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. > > "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo > told us. > > Then the firestorm started. > > . Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature? > > . Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is > different. > > . Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June > 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.) > > . There's no crease from being folded and mailed. > > . It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud. > > *SNIP* > The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail > inquiries a day about Obama's birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said. > > "I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed > seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both > those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned > the front . you wouldn't see those things." > > Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and > it is identical to the Obama one we received. > > And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? "When we looked > at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see > pieces of the embossed image through it." > ----- > > Newsweek staffers have actually handled and photographed the copy that > the Obama campaign posted. > http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599 > ----- > Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time > with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is > real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in > Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised > seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar > Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing > individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few > photographs. > > The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller > > Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp > > The raised seal > > Blowup of text > > You can click on the links to get full-size versions, which haven't > been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees > for viewing purposes. > > The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for > proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the > full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the > birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the > official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of > birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you > can see the seal above. > > The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form > birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and > includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' > hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a > database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth > record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of > your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough > information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask > the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other > questions, but they have not given a response. > ----- > Oh, and btw, someone found his birth announcement in the newspaper. > http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in- > hawaii/ > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
