On 2015-03-26 @lbutlr wrote:
> > On 26 Mar 2015, at 16:59 , Wolfgang Zeikat <wolfgang.zei...@desy.de> wrote:
>> ----- On 26 Mar, 2015, at 23:44, @lbutlr krem...@kreme.com wrote:
>>> Mar 26 02:55:38 mail postfix/smtp[7534]: 3lCKqM0QcJzJMnf: 
>>> to=<*gmailuser*@gmail.com>, orig_to=<*localuser*.com>, 
>>> relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.193.26]:25, delay=115, 
>>> delays=46/0.02/38/31, dsn=5.7.0, status=bounced (host 
>>> gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.193.26] said: 552-5.7.0 This message was 
>>> blocked because its content presents a potential 552-5.7.0 security issue. 
>>> Please visit 552-5.7.0 
>>> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=6590 to review our 552 
>>> 5.7.0 message content and attachment content guidelines. b10si4404184igx.11 
>>> - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command))
>> 
>> So gmail has rejected to accept that message and has put out a
>> *final* message: 552-5.7.0 This message was blocked. Thus the mail
>> was bounced: status=bounced. That is not a "temp failure". So postfix
>> tries to send a NDN to the sender of the blocked mail.
> 
> Ah, sorry. Most of those from gmail are 421’s and I didn’t notice this
> one wasn’t.
> 
>>> Mar 26 02:56:08 mail postfix/smtp[7534]: 3lCKsQ6KCHzJMnj: 
>>> to=<overspill...@akirchheimer.com>, relay=none, delay=30, delays=0/0/30/0, 
>>> dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service 
>>> error for name=akirchheimer.com.inbound10.mxlogicmx.net type=A: Host not 
>>> found, try again)
>> 
>> The MX record of the sender address of the mail that gmail has
>> blocked cannot be resolved in DNS: Host not found, try again.
>> Therefore, the NDN cannot be delivered. That is a "temp failure" and
>> delivery will be retried until the host can be found in DNS or the
>> queue lifetime of that NDN expires.
> 
> Hmm. That’s interesting. Checking dig on the mailserver:
> 
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> akirchheimer.com.       11781   IN      MX      10 
> akirchheimer.com.inbound10.mxlogicmx.net.
> akirchheimer.com.       11781   IN      MX      10 
> akirchheimer.com.inbound10.mxlogic.net.
> 
> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> akirchheimer.com.inbound10.mxlogicmx.net. 39975 IN A 208.65.144.2
> akirchheimer.com.inbound10.mxlogicmx.net. 39975 IN A 208.65.145.2
> 
>>> Is the NDN being generated because of the gmail temp failure?
>> 
>> There is no "gmail temp failure", see above.
> 
> OK, how about gmail permanent failures?

Wolfgang already answered that:

| So gmail has rejected to accept that message and has put out a
| *final* message: 552-5.7.0 This message was blocked. Thus the mail
| was bounced: status=bounced. That is not a "temp failure". So postfix
| tries to send a NDN to the sender of the blocked mail.

Because of a permanent failure Postfix attempted to send an NDN back to
the envelope sender address, but couldn't, since name resolution failed
(temporarily?).

Was the message successfully delivered at a later point in time, or did
it remain in the queue until its lifetime expired (generating a double
bounce)?

Does name resolution work correctly for the user "postfix"?

> Does the spamass-milter run before postscreen? 
> 
> If not, can it?

Postscreen was created as a lightweight protection against spam bots. It
would be utterly pointless to run it after heavyweight spam protection
measures like Spamassassin.

Regards
Ansgar Wiechers
-- 
"Abstractions save us time working, but they don't save us time learning."
--Joel Spolsky

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