Am 26.02.2014 07:33, schrieb Viktor Dukhovni:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:54:37AM +0100, li...@rhsoft.net wrote:
> 
>>> The local resolver can have the resolvers on the LAN configured as 
>>> forwarders, but you need the local stub resolver. No reason not to have 
>>> one, really, especially on a busy mail server
>>
>> yes, you normally have a local resolver on the mailserver
>> but you hardly trust that one alone and in case it crashs
>> you typically have another one on the LAN
> 
>     1.  In a decade of running BIND caching resolvers of various
>       antiquities on Morgan Stanley MTAs handling ~2 million
>       messages a day, I've never seen a local resolver crash.

that is not the point, having on every VM running postfix
a local resolver is overkill - that is the point and
redundancy is always a good idea

> 2.  If yours do, arrange for automated re-start and send an alert.
> 
> The postmaste master(8) daemon might be killed, which also stops
> mail flow.  How is that different?  The requirement for a local
> caching resolver is not a real impediment.

it is overkill

> With a caching local resolver, all the DNSSEC validation code is
> where it should be, in a DNSSEC application.

which are the two dedicated nameservers in the LAN

http://www.avolio.com/columns/e-mailServerSecurity.html
"Turn off all services except for those required and limit these"

having two *dedicated* nameservers doing nothing else than
DNS and SSH for administartion in the LAN has to be enough

> If the LAN housing the MTAs and multiple caching nameservers is
> physically secure and well firewalled, you could potentially rely
> on that physical security and firewall anti-spoofing rules.

that is the point: if i do not trust my dedicated nameservers
in my own network i can also not trust the one running on
the MTA and asking the both as forwarders

so the only relevant question: is "127.0.0.1 (or ::1)" a hard
requirement or something recommended

> All of the above are much more complex than a local 
> validating stub resolver

no - the two dns servers are already in the LAN and working

they are trusted and if i do not trust my own LAN i also can
not trust a forwarder running on 127.0.0.1 asking them

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