On 24 Feb 2014, at 06:09 , Viktor Dukhovni <postfix-us...@dukhovni.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:26:42PM +0100, Dirk St?cker wrote:
> 
> Nonsense.  Patrick Koetter's .de domain is DNSSEC signed.  His
> mailserver has TLSA records.  Enabling DNSSEC does not prevent you
> from communicating with the rest of the world.  Furthermore, you
> can enable DNSSEC validation in your resolver before your own domain
> is signed.  The two are independent.

Wait, what? You can?

Hmmm... Hover.com is still not supporting DNSSEC, but I can still validate my 
domains?

That's not exactly what you said, is it?

> It only takes a few minutes to configure a validating recursive
> resolver.  Install unbound and make sure it performs automatic
> tracking of the root zone DNSKEY.

unbound is better than bind for this sort of thing? (I noticed freeBSD 10 has 
switched from bind to unbound, I expect they have good reason).

>> My Registrar said today:
>> "Sorry, currently it is not possible to use DNSSec for domains
>> registered here."
> 
> Vote with your feet.  I'm transferring my domains to a registrar
> with better DNSSEC support (and incidentally lower price).

Yes, well, in general registrars kind of suck, and hover doesn't suck. But yes, 
they need to get DNSSEC sorted.

>> But if I understand it right even if I do all perfect and hope that
>> more systems support that secure approach - I need to configure each
>> system supporting this individually by hand without any automatic
>> aid in my own system?
> 
> No.  DANE does not require per-destination configuration.  That's the
> point.

DANE sounds nifty!

>> And then I need to hope that users start to use that information,
>> because all this work is completely useless until 100% deployed. My
>> 100 years guess aren't so bad I think. Very unlikely, that this
>> approach will work.
> 
> No, DANE secures SMTP transport between publishing servers and
> validating clients regardless of what everyone else is doing.  The
> adoption model is incremental.

Ibid.

-- 
Oh, he's just like any other man, only more so.

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