Hi Owain Ainsworth,
Owain Ainsworth wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 03:40:54PM -0600, macintoshzoom wrote:
Yes I have to do it, buy I'm a non-conformist,
I've found that 90% of the time when someone says that they actually
mean:
``I'm too stupid to know I'm doing it wrong''.
Yes, may be you are right and ``I'm too stupid to know I'm doing it wrong''.
Anyway, I prefer doing things wrong than doing nothing, I'm not afraid
of insults or the like when I am doing what I think is honest and it's
my job.
Please, if you don't understand how the ports framework works, don't use
it! Wait for snapshot packages and do pkg_add -ui. If you can't give a
well reasoned and coherent explanation of why you should be using ports,
you shouldn't.
Well, I really don't fully understand (yet) how the ports framework
works, I am spending lots of hours of my life studying at this and here
I am also asking human forums.
I must say in my point of view (read my modes opinion) that the ports
framework as it is is lacking many usability and features, and that it's
in need of more improvement.
But as I told before, I am not happy with the current snapshots for many
applications (tor, full KDE + its artwork, etc) (currently (out)dated
14-Aug-2008 at jp mirror) and I want to test the latest ports just to
see if some of my issues has already been tweaked by the ports
developers, and to develop my job on an top updated -current box.
If someone already has resolved some of my issues in latest cvs ports
tree, why I would reinvent the wheel?
And next week I plan to install and test kde4 (available is (outdated)
v4.0.1) from ports, that is still an ongoing OpenBSD developers
unfinished job (KDE4 is already v4.1.0 on some top linux distros, fully
running), and (my proudly) OpenBSD-KDE box cannot be behind.
May I should point you for your record that I am creating an OpenBSD-KDE
Desktop distro.
There are ports that I am creating myself (for my own use, as I am only
on i386 and I don't know if they are well done), as for tor,
kde-windeco-crystal, kde-icons-tehmes, privoxy, gnupg, etc. , many
times just to be on latest patched source relating highly critical
security issues that OpenBSD takes weeks or months to implement,
unacceptable at all for my security focused system project.
I have to learn the way to be really updated (not 6 months later).
This is why many times I want ports, most times it's just a matter or
weeks to be ahead.
I am not a standard OpenBSD consumer, that will await sit-down for
packages or snapshots when they are not complying my needs.
And about usability, for my OpenBSD-KDE proejct, I want at least the
same package management as can offer synaptic in Linux (I have to study
pbrowser and sqlports), with some quick buttons upgrades/updates
systems, including from my own modest repository for my custom
ports-based or compiles from sources tweaked updated packages.
I am talking here a bot too much, this comments will be subject of an
entirely new set of threads, including a wikisite I will host in a near
time for the matter ...
Mac
