On 2025-02-13 08:00, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I don't know about getting rid of *all* emissions regulations, but at
least those that cause undue stress on the engines and extra
unnecessary cost would be great. For instance, catalytic converters
generally aren't a problem; they're just there in the exhaust and
actually help to reduce the noise; it's only when they get clogged
that's a problem. However, other systems like the EGR system gum up
the intakes and cause problems over time. Additionally, I drive a
diesel and the whole SCR system absurd both in complexity and cost to
save a minuscule amount of emissions.
I a degree I disagree. I like things simple stupid (KISS).
I've been following Rossmann for a long time and he has a lot of good
takes on stuff. I don't know about forcing manufacturers to make parts
available, however the manufacturer shouldn't be able to enter into
agreements to make parts unavailable. For instance Apple will go to
manufacturers to make slight generally unnecessary changes to their
chips and then have them sign an agreement saying that they'll only
sell said chips to Apple, so then you're unable to procure replacement
parts from outside sources like DigiKey.
If manufactures fail to make parts available go to a different supplier
or buy from the alternate supply chain.
Then there's the digital lockout of systems requiring some kind of
programmer to get replacement parts to talk to eachother, which Apple
is guilty of and I believe John Deere does the same. In that case, I'd
say that yeah there should be some way for a regular consumer to at
least override/bypass that so that they can get their equipment to
work on their own without the manufacturer being involved.
Good reason not to buy Apple....
I did one search on my Kubuntu desktop and my Android phone showed me
this article.
https://hoodline.com/2025/02/arizona-attorney-general-sues-john-deere-alleging-unlawful-repair-monopoly-in-support-of-farmers/
Creepy....
Looks like John Deere is going down.
There's another Youtuber similar to Rossmann named Dave Jones, who
runs the EEVBlog YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@EEVblog
Thanks I'll check him out. Ok he is above my head.
I think one of his sayings is something like "you don't own it until
you've voided the warranty".
On that note, if y'all are looking for modular/repairable laptops,
I've been buying laptops from Framework since they came into existence
something like 5 years ago now. They've been pretty good. They're
about to release some new stuff on the 25th. https://frame.work/
So far they have a 13 and 16 inch chassis with various board options.
The 13 inch has had several generations of intel, the 11th, 12th,
13th, and the more recent 1X5H chips (whatever "generation" those are
now), as well as an AMD 7X40 version. The 16 inch has only had a 7X40
mainboard version but it's only a year old; I'm hoping for an upgraded
mainboard in the announcement in a couple weeks.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2025, at 7:37 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I was a Chevy man during my youth. I found Chevy's where easy to
work
on and I generally just liked their cars.
In AZ emissions is required for all cars 67 and newer. Might be 68.
I
understand that the Trump Administration might be doing away with
emissions requirements. I sure hope so. The oil embargo and
emissions
killed the muscle car era.
Sometime ago I ran into this guy :
https://www.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos
Are you aware of him?
I think if you buy something you should have the right to repair it.
That includes access to reasonably priced parts and even having the
manuals online.
John Deere has found itself on the wrong side of the right to repair
issue and look what it is costing them.
I support your effort!!! It is the American way to stand up for
what is
right, and if that includes Linux, I am extremely excited.
Keith
On 2025-02-12 21:12, Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I agree with the points that you made, Keith. Indeed, very true,
electronics will not last as long as the car, yet the use of the
car
depends on them.
I like less electronics in my car as well which is why I tried to
maintain my 2001 Hyundai Accent for as long as I could.
My dream car would be one that is modular, easy to repair, and has
easy access to critical parts in the engine bay that can be
replaced.
The car version of a Framework laptop.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:02 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
I might step on some toes so forgive me up front.
You said "I am very interested in using a Linux based computers
and
Open
Source computer systems to diagnose and maintain automobiles..."
I'm an old guy. From around 1972 to around 1984 I was a muscle
car
guy.
No electronics in those cars. I like it that way.
I hate that cars have electrons. I'm ok with an am/fm radio,
electric
windows (to a point), anything else is too much for me.
You buy a car today and it's electronics are outdated in 5 years.
The
car can go 30 years/300k miles. But the electronics cannot keep
up.
Ok so what you are thinking of doing sounds exciting, especially
if
you
can replace the manufacture's electronics with some Linux based
homegrown system.
Right to Repair is a big deal and you might be on the leading
edge
of
something big...
Keith
On 2025-02-12 18:13, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
I have been wanting to ask about this subject as well because I
am
seriously considering this subject:
OPEN SOURCING AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTICS
Open Sourcing Automotive Diagnostics [1]
OPEN SOURCING AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTICS
I am very interested in using a Linux based computers and Open
Source
computer systems to diagnose and maintain automobiles. I really
think
there could be an open market on repairs because of the cost of
modern
automobiles and tractors is so high.
I use to work for CNHI for a short contract a few years ago and
they
along with John Deere are causing farmers to complain to the
point
of
states like Nebraska coming out with laws making it legal for
them
to
"hack" the computer system so they can use a malfunctioning
computer
system in a tractor and get their crop harvested or planted.
I heard in the Ukraine they are openly providing hacks and
cracks
to
the farmers so they can use the tractors saving them money.
American
farmers were rumored to be downloading these tools to fix their
computer systems here in America.
I would really like to see free market forces in play for auto
owners
so they can remove factory equipment favor of open source
products
and
computer systems that would compliment this activity.
Beyond that, I would find it very interesting if there were a
forum
and symposium on this subject here in the Phoenix area. It
would
offer a range of subjects such as securing your auto and how to
get
the most out of an auto.
So if you have ideas please share.
thanks,
Greg
Links:
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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcBVxCZr4k
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