I've only lived in AZ except for a stint in the military. I've only
had
a couple good managers. Most others where in over their head.....
If AZ is so bad then why is all this tech choosing AZ?
Yes water is an issue. And when I think of data centers in Phoenix
during the summer... machines pumping out heat and A/C units needed
to
cool them down... all that electricity.
I understand there is some movement to solar A/C units, which on
it's
face seems like a solution...
In Chandler there is the Price Road Corridor which is set aside for
tech
companies. I'd estimate half the area is vacant. The tax payers
votes
to give tax dollars to companies willing to relocate workers here.
The
vote took place may 15 years ago so maybe the money is all used up.
I'm a freelance PHP developer so I called the City and asked about
the
little guy. Was not on their radar.
With all this chip activity in Phoenix, it makes me wonder about
what
cottage industries are going to sprout out of all of this.
Especially
since there is resistance to returning to the office. AND I have
read
there is a trend towards using 1099's because they can be rented for
just the period they are needed.
I personally would never want to work W2 with a boss and coworkers..
Being self employed comes with it's challenges as well.
Could be an interesting decade ahead of us. Exciting!!
On 2023-06-22 13:04, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Meh, I've heard this since the dot.bomb implosion of 2000, when I
happened to move back from silicon valley at the beginning of 2001
with everything going under there. Seemed like half of Cali moved
here with me after, and tons of like speculation at the time of a
Silicon Desert. While I think AZ has grown tons since, there's
never
been a mad rush to redefine itself as a technological behemoth in
anything other than Data Centers here, that's only because of the
lack
of natural disasters (at least until we run the groundwater dry
now).
Not to make this incendiary, but FWIW spending 2 years in Silicon
Valley and the next 21 years to now here, Arizona is a damn weird
place to work in IT, and a lot of folks that have moved here say
the
same. The lack of modern internet or technology orgs means it's
mostly a lot of clueless legacy orgs dragged kicking and screaming
into the 21st century, meaning they're mostly technologically
inept at
the core, and treat it as an afterthought to their business as it
literally was. Any "mega tech" orgs we do have like Motorola,
Intel,
Honeywell, Cox/Lumen, etc, even Godaddy now are so dated they
operate
just as dysfunctionally.
Old businesses, particularly across industries like hospitality
(hotels, etc), hospitals, education, manufacturing, foods, even
government all started off with paper, moved up to telephones,
then
fax, and were eventually dragged into computers to the point now
they
can't live without them, woefully and painfully. Almost every
organization in AZ I've worked for is particularly OLD like that
with
TONS of legacy debt, typically have the old help desk guy (or
worse,
owner's kid) that hung around 20 years and finally got promoted to
network manager, even though still barely know basic servers,
they've
no idea of linux, networks, clouds, security, and even more so, no
PASSION for technology. Eventually org's realize they're
floundering,
and start hiring new CxO's and managers, but with the blind
leading
the blind, they hire terrible people that run the business
terribly,
and still never get out of the rut. I see this more often than
not in
Arizona, even in modern technology born here or when non-Arizona
businesses operate out of here, they end up afflicted and seem
dragged
down to such a level like something in the water.
My guts say now if an org ANYWHERE wasn't borne of technology, ie.
the
Googles, Fakebooks, Linkedin (before M$, grr), etc that are BUILT
around technology for technology's sake, they're just always going
to
be on the upside down for any real technological workplace in any
capacity and probably pretty miserable to work at ultimately.
I've
also worked for highly dysfunctional silicon valley and other
hotspot
orgs since too, it's a disease without boundaries - you just never
know.
After a now ~24 year career in IT where all but one I was as a
senior
engineer/architect/consultant capacity for over 120 different
businesses in AZ and all over the US, I can usually tell you how
bad a
business is by what they sell or do, or at very least a
well-weighted
guess. My friends always ask me about places they're considering
as
they know I'm more right than wrong. A few months back a friend
of
mine working here on H1B from India with a similar temperament to
me
asked me what *good* places there were in Arizona as we both hated
our
last gigs here, and I simply told him "nowhere, run away". He
just
bought a house in RTP, after the past 5 years of gigs here in AZ
coming from Austin, he believed me.
I know, I probably sound pretty jaded at this point with the
industry
and particularly with AZ for technology gigs, and certainly am.
If
not for AZ being what I've mostly always called home, I'd bail on
it
too for lack of hope. I just simply consider now by default
Arizona
orgs are very likely backward-operated and barely worth my
personal
investment, regardless of hyperbole like this article as I've
heard it
all before and again. Thus I just deal with most gigs in short
contracts on an in and out basis before I get too punchy with the
silly politics and drama.
-mb
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 9:01 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
Came upon this article that sounds interesting.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/21/phoenix-chips-cars
I posted an article a while ago about a class that was being
offered
to
teach chip making skills (if I recall correctly).
Any thoughts on how this will help/effect Linux folks... Open
Source
people... etc?
Are we going to become Austin, TX where I hear the city is over
populated... freeways are over crowed... etc?
Is there a shift from Silicon Valley?
How is this going to effect us? What are the opportunities?
Keith
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