On 06/17/2014 10:56 AM, Marco Martin wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Marco Martin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Thursday 15 May 2014 11:39:00 Jens Reuterberg wrote:
> Ok so after the feedback from the Beta Release an issue that we
knew was
> coming have happened. Visuals being the most easily accessible
bit of
> anything technical, people have reacted negatively to the lack
of change.
just to give a shot on every and single options, i gave a try to
modifying
oxygen in order to make it look like breeze (therefore sharing all
the things
that it does that are not related to painting, like drag the
window from
anywhere)
this is the half done, half missing attempt (ignore the non
changed elements)
http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/29/plasma-desktophP1414.png
is pretty hacky, but *maybe* is possible to have in the end only a
different
stylehelper (and pixelmetrics/stylehints)
so could be something worth exploring in the future
Adding Hugo with a very due explanation of what it is:
The Visual Design Group came up with an idea for a new design for a
widget style in KDE.
But of course a Qt widget style is an huge undertaking that will take
a lot to do.
Now, Oxygen is the sum of years of experience and fixes, (and also
does a ton of things to make application behave well that are beside
just "painting", not to mention the companion themes that integrate
nicely gtk 2 and 3 apps) and would really be a shame to lose all those
years of development and experience, so I was wondering how hard would
be to adapt the Oxygen codebase to a new visual style (would be a new
style, or perhaps hopefully something sharing a lot of code)
in the link above, there is a screenshot of an attemptIi made to quick
and dirty try to adapt some of the elements (is incomplete and only
partial, but promising, seems that changing rounded radiuses and
removing some gradients here and there gets pretty close)
Hugo, do you think it would be a feasible thing? And would you be
interested in it? (I was thinking about something like maintaining
most of the style, and set apart an oxygenhelper(as is now) vs
breezehelper for the different visual related things)
Cheers,
Marco Martin
Hi Marco, others,
Sorry for the delayed answer.
First off, I unfortunately have very little time left since about half a
year to dedicate to KDE/Oxygen aside from bug fixing and it is likely
not going to improve. So that I would not be a reliable choice for
undertaking the development of a Breeze Qt4/Qt5/Gtk2/Gtk3 widget theme.
(though I could give an occasional hand to anyone volunteering).
As for starting from Oxygen's code base, I think it is a good idea
indeed. Large amount of code could likely be reused quite unchanged:
animations, window grabbing, fancy splitters. They could even be moved
to a library, that Breeze would load.
(ok there is versionning, API freeze etc. involved, but no serious core
development)
As for the styling, indeed rewriting the helper class is a possible
start. Also, current oxygen has basically one method for every
primitive/control/etc. So it should also be easy to just inherit from
it, and just re-implement these methods one after the other ...
Still, that would not bring you Gtk2 and Gtk3, which is quite a serious
issue.
For such things, QtCurve is indeed a good candidate, since as far as I
know it is the only widget theme around that implements all major
flavors of toolkits ... but has an issue of "over-configuraribility" by
design, which is not so good for branding, imho.
Last but not least, you could try "hire" the latest QtCurve dev for KDE
(Yichao Yu <[email protected]>)
, to work on a cut-down and cleaned-up version of QtCurve, called
Breeze. The guy is good, nice, very active and knows all of both Qt and
Gtk. He has help debugging/fixing oxygen and qtcurve simultaneously
quite a number of times already.
QtCurve already use (copy) part of oxygen's code (and vice versa), so
here also I could contribute, without taking maintainership.
... and finaly, there is window decoration. I guess one could start with
an aurorae theme (although not optimal, since you ultimately need some
extra features, such as synching with the widget theme, for background
gradient for instance).
Hugo
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