Am 01.02.20 um 22:37 schrieb Santiago Vila: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 08:41:19PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> I guess at this point it is best to ask chrony, ntp, openntpd, ntpsec >> and virtualbox [1] to drop the Conflicts= line again. >> Maybe we should even do that for buster via a stable upload? >> >> Thoughts? > > Hi. I definitely think this should be fixed in stable, in whatever way > it's considered best for stable. > > The last thing a system admin would expect from Debian stable is that > the clock is off by several minutes in a system where a time-keeping > package like ntp or chrony is present. This was completely unexpected > for me. (In fact, I would have reported this as serious but I prefer > to concentrate on finding a good fix). > > Regarding the proper fix: Anything which makes chrony and ntp work > again (without surprises) would do. I agree that the less intrusive > the change, the better. > > In the Debian 10 instances at GCE where I found this I just did this: > > systemctl disable systemd-timesyncd > > Would it make sense to ship systemd-timesyncd disabled by default in > buster and add a README to enable it only if the user really decides > to enable it? (Maybe also documenting this in the release notes).
I think this would break more setups then it fixes. The default behaviour of systemd-timesyncd has been since two releases to be enabled by default. We can't easily change that. > That would be the most simple solution for stable that I can think, > as it would reduce the number of packages to change to just one. Unfortunately I think that disabling systemd-timesyncd by default is one of the most intrusive changes. After all, systemd is installed by default (and thus systemd-timesyncd enabled by default). I fear this is a no-go.
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