On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Sebastian Ramacher <sramac...@debian.org> wrote: > (Dropping J-B from CC. I think this is purely Debian related now.) > > On 2014-08-18 22:37:42, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: >> On 2014-08-17 23:22:02, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: >> > On 16 Aug, Reinhard Tartler wrote : >> > > I believe that upstream doesn't care that much about this, because >> > >> > I remember the idea. >> > >> > Basically, the idea was to split so that servers using VLC to do >> > streaming wouldn't need libX11 and all the rest. >> > >> > > otherwise I'd expect the Makefiles to be a bit more helpful with >> > > determining this. J-B, I'd like you to confirm if I'm right here. >> > >> > This idea indeed failed, because libavcodec, one of the main codec >> > library, can depend on vdpau/vaapi, and both of those acceleration >> > libraries thought it was cool to use libX11... >> > Therefore, a vlc-noX wouldn't have avcodec plugin... >> > >> > Some other distributions split the VLC free-stack (Xiph formats) >> > from the rest, for patent reasons. >> > >> > For 3rd party programs using libvlc, an idea was to do a vlc-plugins >> > splitted from vlc, so that they don't get libQt in. >> > So, something like: >> > - libvlccore >> > - libvlc >> > - vlc-core-plugins >> > - vlc >> >> I'll see if I can come up with something here and prototype a possible >> split. As soon as I've got something, I'll post a link to a branch. > > I've pushed a work-in-progress feature/vlc-plugins branch [1]. vlc-nox > has been left alive. Looking at the popcon data there seems to be > interest in the package (vlc: 51349 installs vs. vlc-nox: 53687 > installs).
The problem I initially experienced was how to come up with commits such as http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/vlc.git/commit/?h=feature/vlc-plugins&id=3909306d196dff05726cf3c800fa62bf2f8e7ad8 without spending hours trying to figure out what renames, additions and removals of vlc plugins happend upstream. I started with a hit and miss, but after 5 recompilations of VLC *sic* I got tired of failing builds at package assembly time and started to grep and diff buildlogs. I am therefore wondering if that effort is really worth the trouble. I seems that you think it is. OK. Maybe I can come up with scripts to grep the build logs to streamline this process. > I've done the following instead: > > - Improved the check if plugins in vlc-nox link against libX11 or > libxcb. http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/vlc.git/commit/?h=feature/vlc-plugins&id=318ef48b70b3cb2d2f85755766418eb97f7bf5a8 Awesome, that makes very much sense to me! > - Moved the RDP plugin to vlc as it is linked to libX11 via > libfreerdp1. Yes. > - Killed vlc-plugin-pulse and moved the PulseAudio plugins to vlc. > Xfce, KDE and Gnome all pull in libpulse0 anyway, so I think there is > no need for the split. I don't have a strong opinion on this. I feel that users might complain, but we can surely wait for those bug reports to happen (if they happen) > - Added vlc-plugin-samba package and moved the Samba plugin there. I > think it makes much more sense to split this from vlc-nox (~50 MiB of > extra dependencies) and it's been requested. Yikes! - That makes very much sense to me. > The vlc-plugin-samba and vlc-plugin-pulse changes can be reverted of > course if they are to controversial. The other changes should make it > possible to handle the plugin split a bit better for the time being. I > think it's better to revisit this after the jessie release and get vlc > ready for the libav transition for now. > > Let me know what you think. Awesome work, thank you very much! The only piece that I'm missing is what Fabian mentioned: A more declarative way to describe what plugin goes to vlc-nox and what to vlc. See above. Given that vlc is currently in NEW anyway, I guess uploading to unstable as 2.2.0~pre2-2 would hurt. Best, Reinhard -- regards, Reinhard _______________________________________________ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
