Disclaimer: While picolisp community is a very nicely self-selected
group of people with interesting views from all paths of life, and most
of us are very interested in philosophical discussions and everything
else...please let's not go to OT here. PicoLisp is the main topic of
this list, and so it should be in emails on this list.

@Idealistic dreams: Well blockchain might be in theory a way for more
direct, distributed democracy around the more closed social networks of
local and global elites (however defined). But that assumes that large
number of common people would be interested to take part in such a
system, actively work on it, and be considerate and consciousness in
their choices. The majority of people are neither interested nor
capable. Or at least that is my current impression, and I live in
Switzerland which has the most direct democratic system in the world
(afaik). (It might be working, but like everything it has trade-offs
which in some situations can be highly consequential.)

Besides this.. you wanna operate your system on android?
How to defend against malicious manipulations in your program via the
mobile phone baseband chip (usually integrated into the main cpu for
energy efficiency, so it could access main cpu and ram, but runs outside
the control of the operating system) ? You just hope that the majority
of devices is not infected? Android is a walled-garden device without
much owner control - and most owners don't want control, they want just
a working device. Whatever that means.

I see indeed huge troubles facing our whole global society, but I don't
see how blockchain should help in case were we fail to coordinate
through traditional social structures and methods.
Bitcoin is certainly the most mature blockchain project, and it still
hasn't stabilized and is primarily a ponzi gambling thing and not much
else. It is a digital cash equivalent, especially with some privacy
benefits (within limits), but practical applications are seriously
limited by the currencies volatility, and whenever you interface it back
to a traditional currency you are again under all checks and controls of
that jurisdiction - and those checks and controls are there for reasons!
Many of them evolved through tremendous human cost and should probably
not be fully removed without some more considerations.

Rules are not there to never be broken. Rules are there, so you think
before you break them.


> I just read your full email. Wow, that’s really good…
> Mind if I email you directly if I have a questions?
Thanks, feel free. Or lets talk on IRC.

Kind regards,
- beneroth


On 21.05.21 21:38, A. Laszlo Ross wrote:
> Speaking for myself… as a busted up former US Army special ops officer
> with a few good braincells… 
>
> I can guarantee that this new us (us.new) will be both complete
> bullshit, a project for me to feel like an empowered black trans
> woman…. *and*….
> wait for it…
> Increasing the ability for the human race to collectively not kill all
> of each other off, not knowing our own code and data structures. And
> we signed it all away in a million EULAs and all we got was snapchat
> filters and shit…
>
> We’re better than this. One Android install can be running a Picolisp
> interpreter with access to a large chunk of system resources. On up to
> 8 billion current Android devices as an installed base which you can
> buy from google 44 cents American per install. Legally. (Yes I checked).
>
> That’s a system that’s ripe for improvement.
>
> Greybeard Six.. Out..
>
>
>> On May 21, 2021, at 13:59, Yiorgos [George] Adamopoulos
>> <yiorgos.adamopou...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:yiorgos.adamopou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 8:51 PM <andr...@itship.ch
>> <mailto:andr...@itship.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>     So in my humble opinion, any real world application of blockchain
>>     technology outside of anti-governmental currency is complete
>>     bullshit and usually just a scheme to get money from fashionable
>>     investors and computer-illiterate governments. Or a pet project
>>     for developers to feel clever about themselves while wasting
>>     intelligence and energy on stock market games instead of
>>     increasing quality of life for humanity.
>>
>>
>> I am so copy-pasting this to eternity. Thank you! 
>> -- 
>> keep raising the bar || http://theheadphonesrule.dev/
>

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