Thanks for your informative email. I mostly agree with your points, except for WebAssembly on the client. Though you differentiate between WebASM on client and on server - didn't know about WebASM on server, might be a very good thing!
But WebASM on the client is a epic conceptual mistake - it is the new Adobe Flash. Already now it is mostly used for malware obfuscation: https://www.sec.cs.tu-bs.de/pubs/2019a-dimva.pdf Web scripting languages should not be turing complete, same holds true for everything with untrusted scripting input. Impossible to validate, unless you execute it. Yes, containment using sandboxing turns out to be a better strategy than we thought years ago, but still it gives a strong incentive to not work properly. Of course, that battle is already lost :( Security-wise, the whole cloud business should be dead, only full hardware isolation gives full security. Servers could be many small devices (e.g. rock64's, raspis, ..) instead of shared resources with many layers and much (energy) overhead. No, I don't fully practice this, not viable currently. Yes, I enjoy living in my radical purity niche. Have fun ;-) - beneroth On 26.03.20 13:35, Guido Stepken wrote: > Though - for some folks - it might make things simpler, i am no friend > of Docker. > > What the Docker founder is saying about Docker now: > > Solomon Hykes > @solomonstre > <https://mobile.twitter.com/solomonstre> > · > 27. März 2019 > <https://mobile.twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225> > If WASM+WASI existed in 2008, we wouldn't have needed to created > Docker. That's how important it is. Webassembly on the server is the > future of computing. A standardized system interface was the missing > link. Let's hope WASI is up to the task! > > Source: https://twitter.com/solomonstre/status/1111004913222324225 > > Picolisp compiles perfectly fine with emcc Emscripten C/C++ compiler > and runs perfectly in (server side) Webassembly containers. It's > completely replacing any Docker/Hyper-V/VMware/Amazon AWS Lambda solution. > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/C_to_wasm > > And when you look deeper into Webassembly, you will notice, that - in > itself - it's a Lisp, very much like Picolisp. > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Understanding_the_text_format > > Lisp now rules the world. And Linux has won! ;-) > > Have fun! > > Guido Stepken > > Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 schrieb David Bloom <ipro...@gmail.com > <mailto:ipro...@gmail.com>>: > > For work reasons I have strayed from the beloved PicoLisp into > Erlang for some time. While I have much love for using Erlang/OTP > to build robust, distributed systems, it handles a different job > than PicoLisp in my opinion. Even though work kept me in the > Erlang world for a while I still followed the mailing list and one > day saw instructions on how to build pil with musl. After a > single attempt in a fresh Alpine container it worked so I felt > compelled to share with the group. BEHOLD! > > https://hub.docker.com/r/progit/pil-alpine-minimal > <https://hub.docker.com/r/progit/pil-alpine-minimal> > > Big, big thanks again to Alex and this entire community. Happy > hacking! >
