Hi,

The reason I am using browser is because I wanted to simulate the way server 
works. 

Thanks for all the input. I will look into other modules and see if a similar 
thing can be achieved using PHP itself.

Don.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:29 AM
To: Venkat Raman Don
Cc: Pierre Joye; php-windows@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] A way available to test PHP CGI builds.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Venkat Raman Don <don.ra...@microsoft.com> 
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Pierre, I understand that there are alternate ways. I was just asking why the 
> browser way is bad or not acceptable? Or you are okay with browser way and 
> suggesting an alternative. If you have concerns regarding using browser to 
> test, I would like to know it as it also impacts WINCACHE quality overall.
>
Why are you using something what isn't needed? If you dont need the rendered 
layout, executed client side js, then what are the advantages using a browser 
over a php module?

Tyrael
> Thanks,
> Don.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre....@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:21 AM
> To: Venkat Raman Don
> Cc: php-windows@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] A way available to test PHP CGI builds.
>
> hi,
>
> Let me start from scratch:
>
> To test the output of a http request, no browser is required. PHP 
> alone suffices, or wget/curl cmd line (or other similar tools). PHP 
> supports HTTP (incl. headers), the diff can be generated easily, see 
> run-tests.php.
>
> The only reason why a browser would be required is to compare the 
> visual output or how js behaves. That's where GD could help, to 
> compare screenshots of the rendered page. But that's not what we neeed 
> here.
>
> That's what I was trying to explain.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Pierre
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Venkat Raman Don 
> <don.ra...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Let's don't argue just for the heck of it.
>>
>> Can I know why browser is not a good thing. And what solution you are 
>> arriving into. And can you help me share the coding for that solution if we 
>> find it better. And BTW my solution doesn't involve comparing screenshot.
>>
>> I think I have given enough reason why not to use GD/COM. Do you still think 
>> using COM/GD is a viable option? Or you have another alternative? I already 
>> told you we can use Mozilla based browser which can be used across platform. 
>> Ideally a solution should be scalable and work on different matrix.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Don.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre....@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:04 PM
>> To: Venkat Raman Don
>> Cc: php-windows@lists.php.net
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] A way available to test PHP CGI builds.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Venkat Raman Don 
>> <don.ra...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A good idea about using COM/GD. Let's talk about some pro/cons of it and 
>>> the solution I gave.
>>> 1. COM never worked with default IIS configuration because of permission 
>>> issues. This means again you are not simulating a real world scenario.
>>> 2. COM based solution will never have the ability to be ported to UNIX 
>>> world.
>>> 3. GD can be used for screenshot comparison but any screenshot comparison 
>>> will have some error of margin. Plus your thing (expected output) will be 
>>> dependent on screen resolution/display settings etc. If your code has to be 
>>> portable going this route is not a good idea in my view.
>>>
>>> Regarding dependency on IE, I see no reason why we cannot use a Mozilla 
>>> based browser and automate it. That way it can work on any platform though 
>>> it will have its own challenges but not the ones we will face using GD and 
>>> COM.
>>
>> Sorry, I was not clear. My point was: There is no need of a browser 
>> to do http requests and compare the output.
>>
>> For test client side results (visuallly, js, etc.), there are 
>> excellent tools out there like selenium, but that's not what we 
>> discuss here.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Pierre
>>
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