> Ah well, depends on your definition of "the php.net network"... ;)  I would
> happily assume that this would be both www.php.net and lists.php.net.  If it
> is safe to assume that by php.net, you included www.php.net as a subset of
> php.net, it is also safe to assume that lists.php.net is a subset of
> php.net.

> Since we know that lists.php.net works, we can say that php.net is
> not broken. 

No, you can't say that

You are still basing all your conclusion on an assumption (even two maybe
but I can't bother to do the analysis right now), hand have still not yet
proven the conclusion from the assumption being true. That is: it is only
true under the assumption, but not elsewhere: until proven to be true.

> However we can say that www.php.net IS broken.  :D

Well, according to my ping, all we can say is that ICMP request does not get
an answer back. Weather no answer was sent or an answer was sent but didn't
reach me, we cant say anything about: according to logic. ;)

> However, it is never safe to assume, since when we do so, we make an "ass"
> out of "u" and "me"  ;)

That's a point to. ;)

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