on 26/06/02 11:53 PM, Mark Gallagher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Theoretically this could still be done only with editing of the
> stylesheet.  Of course, it's not that simple - Mozilla comes closest to
> decent browser support for that sort of radical change, and even it's
> not there yet.

well, theories don't work for me or my clients just yet :)

i need proven methods.


> Actually, I think the idea behind what the previous poster was saying is
> that:
> a) with stylesheets they don't need to touch the HTML once they've
> finished with it (and handed it over to you for PHP work)
> b) you therefore won't need templates

I'm not convinced that:

a) the increased development time is worth the theoretical benefits

b) the lack of a boss, team leader or controller is such a good idea

c) EVERYTHING can be achieved


The idea that the designer and the programmer aren't even talking to each
other worries me... if the designer adds a HR class that he thinks is a good
idea, it may completely screw with everything else I've done.  Nuh-uh.

Designers should make recommendations to programmers in this case, and the
programmer should make certain variables / configuration options available
to the designer 24/7 for tweaking.


Furthermore, the idea of a style sheet replacing ALL design further down the
page is in fact a form of template.  Except with this template, everyone has
their fingers in the pie, which can't be a perfect solution.


To achieve this "no rules, designer can do what they want" methodology
would, IMO, lead to endless hours of development time, and then endless
hours of bug fixes and tracing down problems.  By inserting a few rules (
like "you only have a choice of 2 or 3 columns, not 1, not 4+") will make
the development time shorter, lead to less conflict, etc etc.

I'm not saying "don't use style sheets" -- because I do on every project!
I'm saying "don't give the style sheet to the designer" -- give them a
config file at best, or access to a small style sheet of things they NEED.


IMO of course :)

Justin French


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