On 12/09/2003 01:55 AM, Chris Shiflett wrote:
I can make a guess as to why he would say this, aside from the obvious fact that one is part of the PHP project and one is not.
And? Does that meant that all the 130.000+ subscribers of the PHP Classes site are all wrong and you are one that is right?
So, your argument is that the people who subscribe, which you mention below is required to even try these classes (and you argue that this should be required before making a decision), are voting in favor of these PHP classes over PEAR? This makes absolutely no sense.
I never said that. What I said that is that nobody can tell that one class is better than the other before trying both.
Anyway, this thread is not about PHP Classes vs. PEAR but rather about HTTP client solutions. You are the one that is trying to turn this thread into a dispute between two sites where the classes are hosted that says nothing about how good each class can be.
So, we have two groups of people:
1. Those who have tried your PHP classes 2. Those who have not
Your argument is that group 2's opinion is not valid and that group 1's opinion is decided by you (to prefer the PHP classes over PEAR). Yes, if your erroneous assumptions were somehow true, you would be right. However, most people on this list are too logical to be fooled by such an argument.
Anybody with common sense could see in the beginning of the thread that I just suggested one class that I wrote that is available in PHP Classes site and then Justin Patrin came and said that a class available on PEAR is better.
Then you can and stated the above guessing that Justin reasons to prefer one class over the other is because one is in one repository sponsored by the PHP group and the other isn't.
Who is making erroneous assumptions here, i.e. assumptions about things that they never tried?
It seems to me that there is fanatic people like yourself that is trying very hard to impose PEAR classes over PHP Classes as if there is any sort of competion. Only on your mind certainly.
Visitng http://www.phpclasses.org/httpclient results in several pages of banner ads that one must navigate before finally being shown:
Do you have a problem with site that use advertising to keep themselves alive?
Nope, that's their choice. It's just funny when the maintainers cry foul
It is really funny that you mention that in this thread when anybody can read it from the begginning and see that I was the one to suggest the use of a class that I wrote and only after I did it, Justin Patrin came and said that the PEAR class that does the same is better. So, who is crying foul here?
when people aren't interested in their site. Your choice is to have ads.
The site has ads because it is one way that I found to generate enough income to keep it open and still dedicate 100% of my time to continue to develop it, providing more useful features that all users and contributors appreciate.
Since the site takes me a lot of time and costs money to keep open, my alternative would be to shut it up and return to working to companies that would pay me a lot more money then I can make with the site even with ads.
But no, I decided to keep the site open for the benefit of every user and author that care about PHP, even it takes putting ads all over the site.
What is so hard to understand accept about this?
I have a friend that suggested that there will always be people that do not stand the success of others. When I see people like yourself bitching against a site that I developed and is beneficial to so many PHP users, I tend to agree with my friend.
My choice is to not visit. Live with it. :-)
Do you really think the PHP Classes site users miss your visits? Man, grow up!
Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/
PHP Security Handbook Coming mid-2004 HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/
Oh, you write PHP books? Interesting. Once in a while I publish reviews of PHP books because I feel they are interesting to the users of the site. Just yesterday I published a review of a very good PHP book:
http://www.phpclasses.org/products.html/latest/latest.html
Sometimes I invite authors to send review copies, but most of the times the publishing companies contact me and ask me to review the books.
If your publisher contacts me to ask to review your books, I will point them to the archives of this thread so they decide if a book written by PHP Classes site hater like yourself deserves to be reviewed in the site.
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