--- Daniel Pupius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you say to someone who says: > > "PHP is just a kiddie language"? > > (Source: http://www.dhtmlcentral.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19373)
I would suggest not even bothering with these types of people. Like everyone else, they all have opinions (not necessarily based on anything). If you're the type of person who enjoys enlightening people, it might be worth your while, but it's much easier to convince an intelligent person who has valid complaints than it is to convince a stupid person with none (in my experience). You can usually tell by the way they pose their argument whether they're worth listening to or not. Take this for example: "Why are you in a situation where you can't use a real server-side solution, i.e. JSP or ASP.NET?" - Tim Scarfe The reason that this type of statement can attract passionate responses is that there is no logic in it and no statement that can be disputed. What are the criteria of a "real" solution? Why makes JSP a "real" solution? There aren't answers to questions like these, and this is probably because Mr. Scarfe has no valid argument underneath his trollish remark. So, my advice would be to ignore it. > PHP is currently my strongest development language and it annoys me > that it is a much less bankable skillset than .NET and Java. How > long do you think it's going to take to get respect? Will it ever > happen? It's already beginning to happen. I must admit to having an "inside" perspective much of the time, but this changed recently. A few months ago, I spoke on a PHP Panel at an NYSIA meeting. This is a group of people who are CEOs and entrepeneurs of software companies. What I learned is that, to these types of people, PHP is considered to be bleeding-edge technology. It's just now on their radar - something that they see as the future of Web development, but not something they're using now. To most of us, PHP is old news is the sense that it's been around for a decade. Our perspectives are completely different. It was enlightening. As far as job postings go, realize that the people who create the postings (and even do the interviewing in some cases) do not know anything about the position. They realize that they need a Web developer, so they throw around some words they've heard in association with Web development. This approach likely won't change, but I think that PHP will begin to become one of these words. The real savvy companies (Yahoo, Amazon, Ticketmaster, etc.) already choose things like PHP and mod_perl over J* (choose your favorite Java acronym) and ASP. I think everyone else will catch up, but it will probably take time. I predict that the next ten years will be very fruitful for PHP. Chris ===== Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/ PHP Security Handbook Coming mid-2004 HTTP Developer's Handbook http://httphandbook.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
