Hey,

> truth is unless it has a header with something about Bounce-to: spammer or
> the From address is actually correct, it never gets to the spammer.  what
> spamers use now are spy images or javascripts, html content with an image
> that includes an id with it so that when the person views the email......

True, and thats why mailwasher does not display images or javascript.
But the spammers sometimes do use the bounced back messages to clean their
lists as they are plenty of those programs availabe pretty cheap to do
so...there are even mailservers out there that after it sends the mail if
the mail bounces it automatically deletes it from its database.
All i am saying is, mailwasher works, it has reduced my spam by a lot and i
used to get a crapload as i work with around 15 sites including a portal,
you can tell me my spam has decreased becasue the spammers repented or
because the good lord thought i had had enough...but i think it has gone
down considerably because of MW.

Instead of knocking it so much, why dont you test drive it for a month (its
free) and then write and tell me?
heres the link:
http://entier.ecosm.com/system/redir.php?ad=15&aid=2310

cheers,
-Ryan




> here is one bounce, but i know this isn't from mailwasher. i can't seem to
> find one that i've gotten from mailwasher at the moment.
>
> your right, i probably won't notice that you bounced 1 or 2, but that you
and
> everyone who uses mailwasher and everyone of the list who tries it and
then
> tells their friends that bouncing the messages gets them off lists.
>
> truth is unless it has a header with something about Bounce-to: spammer or
> the From address is actually correct, it never gets to the spammer.  what
> spamers use now are spy images or javascripts, html content with an image
> that includes an id with it so that when the person views the email, the
> email program goes out and gets an image by the name of
> http://images.whatever.com/getahotchick.jpg?uea8769bbrc86
> they then use that for cleaning out their mailing lists.  if everyone
stopped
> viewing spam in html, they would stop getting a chunk of spam.  if
everyone
> bounces messages, then it just adds pointless bandwidth and email to
people
> not involved.
>
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
> Subject: failure notice
> Date: 11 May 2003 15:57:18 -0000
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at courtney.linkline.com.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: (qmail 49019 invoked from network); 11 May 2003 15:57:18 -0000
> Received: from unknown (HELO mailwall6.linkline.com) (64.30.215.55)
>   by 33.215.30.10.in-addr.arpa with SMTP; 11 May 2003 15:57:18 -0000
> Received: from mailwall1.linkline.com (mailwall1.linkline.com
[64.30.215.59])
> by mailwall6.linkline.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4BFvG1D041670
> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 11 May 2003 15:57:16 GMT
> Received: from fclaw.com ([210.77.102.86])
> by mailwall1.linkline.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with SMTP id h4BFvDla018094
> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 11 May 2003 08:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Kristy Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Technological advances
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:58:56 +0000
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