It works, it works in
lynx,
netscape 4.76
netscape 6
mozilla 0.7
IE 5.5
opera 5.01
amaya 4.2.1
now I havent used any mac browsers but if it works for all those I assume it
will for Mac browsers eh.
Chris Lee
Mediawaveonline.com
"Alex Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > That's pretty ugly.
> >
> > echo "<input type='text' name='hello' size='20' value='$value'>";
>
> that isn't html anymore, though.
>
> even though IE and NS may be forgiving, <input type='text' isn't valid.
>
> " it is.
>
> > That's a bit better.
> > This is even better still:
> >
> > echo "<INPUT TYPE='TEXT' NAME='hello' SIZE='20' VALUE='$value'>";
> >
> > Now, I can see the PHP variable used in there a lot easier than I
> > could before. Syntax highlighting would bring it up more, too.
> >
> >> speaking as an html author, and a lover of php, _please_:
> >>
> >> <input type="text" name="hello" size="20" value="<?=$value?>">
> >>
> >> it makes the code useable.
> >
> > Actually, it makes it less useable for me.
>
> how?
>
> and what about your html production people, who needs to make changes to
it?
>
>
> >> : _never_ and I do mean that _never_ use echo for printing html.
> >>
> >> it makes your apps impossible to change, and in a production
> >> environment, that's not ok.
> >
> > What if, halfway through a page, I figure out that I need to do a
> > redirect or set a cookie?
>
> I suggest you design your applications in such a way that you separate
logic
> from markup, and preferably assemble your applications out of separate
> components that perform "categories" of logical operations. Using markup
> that is not contain echos does not preclude good application design.
>
> If you're building pages where database connections on the same page as
your
> markup, I see why you would say that. As you do larger applications,
you'll
> find that practice does not scale well:
>
> Have a look at binarycloud.com. binarycloud provides a framework for
> building large scale, robust applications that effectively separate markup
> from logic. (and it makes coffee!)
>
> > I assemble *all* the page content into a single string variable,
> > and echo it out as the last thing the script does. This way I'm
> > free to play with HTTP headers right up to that time.
>
> agh!
>
> well, ok - but I suggest that you use functions instead, and call your
html
> printing functions at the end of your script. or better, build simple
> components, and glue them together to make an application that consists of
> files that do logical operations, and files that contain markup.
>
> Dumping all that crap into a variable and printing one massive goo-ball
> isn't the route to incredible webserver performance, either.
>
> Try stress testing your installations, you'll find apache suddenly needs a
> _hideous_ amount of memory.
>
> > However, each to their own - your way works for you and your team,
> > mine works for me and mine :)
>
> And as long as you aren't publishing code, do whatever you want.
>
> But as soon as others would like to use it, those practices become a
> consideration. I had to clean all kinds of bad habits out of my sytuff
> before releasing binarycloud :)
>
> But I certainly can't integrate code into a production process that looks
> like this:
>
> echo "<html>";
> echo "<head>";
> echo "<title>$title</title>";
> echo "<link rel='stylesheet' type='text/css'
> href='resources/css/$css.css'>";
> echo "<script src='/resources/js/base_lib.js'
> language='javascript'></script>";
> echo "</head>";
> echo "<body bgcolor='#EEEEEE' text='#000000' link='#003366'
alink='#CCCCCC'
> vlink='#003366' topmargin='0' leftmargin='0' marginwidth='0'
> marginheight='0'>";
> echo "<table border='0' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%'
> bgcolor="#000000">";
> echo "<tr>";
> echo "<td valign='top'><img
src='resources/images/binarycloud/tmpl/fire.jpg'
> alt='' width='466' height='161' border='0'></td>";
> echo "</tr>";
> echo "</table>";
>
> it introduces a whole world of unnecessary complexity.
>
> to prove my point:
>
> get one of your friends that knows html but not PHP to look at the above,
> then this:
>
> <html>
> <head>
> <title><?=$title?></title>
> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="resources/css/<?=$css?>.css">
> <script src="/resources/js/base_lib.js" language="javascript"></script>
> </head>
> <body bgcolor="#EEEEEE" text="#000000" link="#003366" alink="#CCCCCC"
> vlink="#003366" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" marginwidth="0"
> marginheight="0">
> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
> bgcolor="#000000">
> <tr>
> <td valign="top"><img src="resources/images/binarycloud/tmpl/fire.jpg"
> alt="" width="466" height="161" border="0"></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
>
>
> and see what they have to say.
>
>
> _alex
>
>
>
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