> On 9 Apr 2024, at 01:41, Haroldo Stenger <haroldo.sten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi dear Stéphane
> 
> thank you very much for your mail.
> 
> I first have to say that I could already pass over this.
> The problem that originated the red ! in the method pane, or better, what 
> made it disappear, was that x and y were originally written as instance 
> variables without any initialization in an initialize method. It was a weird 
> effect so to say, that a uninitialized variables made this , making one (me ) 
>  think that this was a breakpoint, which in the end , wasn't.  What added to 
> making me think this, was the red breakpoint label in the protocols pane, 
> which in addition , I misperceived was parenting the 'a' protocol, when in 
> fact was simply a sibling. The third thing that misguided me, was that 
> breakpoints are marked in several parts of the system browser as red !, even 
> the right click menu on the method.  However , it was the other issue of 
> uninitialized variables.  I'll try to redo and isolate this , both in Pharo 
> 11 and 12 snapshot in order to help polish the UI, if that's of any value.

Always :)

> I appreaciate a lot that you redirect me to Bloc list, bc I was afraid of 
> going there with such a newbe issue, which by the way I still didn't get 
> right (putting one little square along the circumference). Just a toy 
> approach on my part in order to learn both Pharo and Bloc. But maybe I'm 
> hittiong against some rough part of Bloc, which has to do with 'refreshes' . 
> I still coudn't make the squares render.  I'll report back on this later in 
> the week, maybe also in the Pharo list. 

I will start to work on a little tutorial to build a clock in Bloc based on the 
work on Renaud and I will add it to the Bloc 
chapter. A general problem about software is that it is often fun to develop 
but people forget the documentation part. 

So I will try to learn bloc and write what I understand and share it. 

S

> You always encourage to ask and I value that a lot! I did that also in 
> discord channel.
> best regards
> Haroldo
> 
> El dom, 7 abr 2024 a la(s) 5:38 p.m., stephane ducasse 
> (stephane.duca...@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.duca...@inria.fr>) escribió:
>> Hi arnoldo 
>> 
>> Sorry for the inconvenience often I edit and recompile the method to remove 
>> a breakpoint. 
>> In P12 we redid all this part. 
>>      this is the first time I see this. 
>> Which version of pharo are you using?
>> 
>> - Did you see the vides in the first week of the mooc? because they explain 
>> the IDE.
>>      http://mooc.pharo.org <http://mooc.pharo.org/>
>> - You can have support if you ask in the discord channel
>>       https://discord.gg/QewZMZa
>> 
>> - for Bloc there is separate mailing-list 
>>      lse-openbloc <lse-openb...@inria.fr <mailto:lse-openb...@inria.fr>>
>>      you can register at http://sympa.inria.fr <http://sympa.inria.fr/>
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Apr 2024, at 11:16, Haroldo Stenger <haroldo.sten...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:haroldo.sten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi nice pharo people
>>> 
>>> I'm doing my very initial attempts in Pharo. Having read something
>>> here and there.
>>> Now I've put myself to subclass BlElement in order to add a method of
>>> myself to this subclass.
>>> The subclass got named 'Circulo'. Then I had a hard time trying to
>>> create a protocol to 'host' it, but finally it got created as protocol
>>> 'a'. Initially it got created in the third pane in the browser, below
>>> without any apparent 'breakpoint hierarchy'. However, as soon as I
>>> wrote the method and got to save/accept it, something strange
>>> happened, namely, 'brakepoint' protocol was created out of nothing ,
>>> and my 'a' protocol was put under it. The method itself in the fourth
>>> pane, has a red ! sign. If I right click on the method, and try to
>>> remove the breakpoint, it does nothing. What happens this and how can
>>> I have a normal situation , since I did not put breakpoints ? Thanks
>>> for your kind help
>>> <image.png>
>> 
>> Stéphane Ducasse
>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/>
>> 06 30 93 66 73
>> 
>> "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do 
>> differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might 
>> not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
06 30 93 66 73

"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? 
....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last 
day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes





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