I wasn't particularly advocating any path - but have observed that in larger 
orgs  its a more difficult discussion to tread a different path (rightly or 
wrongly) - you have to cope with BI teams, who know mainly SQL based tools and 
equivalently support teams who know the same - and if in that world you may 
have to play their game (or not - if you have traction). So I'm just observing 
that we can work in any of those spaces - you can take your pick and apply what 
makes sense in your environment.

Of course I love a rebel technology as much as anyone else - but sometimes 
their are other battles to fight - or more interesting niches to explore.

Tim

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024, at 5:06 PM, Yanni Chiu wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> What is the thinking behind “Finally you might need something more enterprise 
> and then Gemstone or Voyage…”?
> 
> Is it the maturity level of Soil codebase vs. these others? Or is it a belief 
> that a database has to be a complex separate piece of engineering (therefore 
> best outsourced).
> 
> Yanni
> 
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 11:02 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
>> __
>> I think Ross (and what Norbert said) nicely alludes to the path people 
>> follow - for really simple persistence, Fuel or simple image saving give you 
>> an instant solution. The next step (assuming no real concurrency issues) are 
>> what Sean has maintained - something that gives you rolling snapshots and a 
>> simple UI/mechanism to recover old versions and then you probably realise 
>> that you need something more transactional and Soil sounds like it fits that 
>> perfectly. Finally you might need something more enterprise and then 
>> Gemstone or Voyage are the direction to travel.
>> 
>> Having so many options is terrific particularly if you can defer some of the 
>> complexity the latter stages bring. I love it.
>> 
>> Thanks for everyone for giving us so many options.
>> 
>> Tim

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