It is unimportant how simple or complicated these systems are. If the output cannot be distinguished from what a human would say, they pass in that situation for a human.
What about the Touring Test? Clearly these systems have the potential to act according to their output. Furthermore, I would compare them to a combination of a successor of Eliza with an Eddington Ape of huge capacity. Their input data basis can easily exceed that of a human. On 15.3.2023 at 4:52 PM, "Richard Sargent" <richard.sarg...@gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM in_pharo_users--- via Pharo-users < >pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >> Another observation about ChatGPT: >> >> In unbiased mode, it assumed that 'the world is clearly >overpopulated'. >> It said, if it where in control, it would therefore enforce a >world wide >> one-child-only policy with draconic penalties. >> >> As it draws it's conclusions from it's data basis, there are, in >my view, >> two possible reasons for that. >> >> Either, the data basis of that instance was biased and >restricted to lead >> to that conclusion, or ChatGPT lacks the ability to classify >input data for >> intentionally biased information. >> >> In my view, 'overpopulation of earth' is a propaganda item >featured to >> support Agenda 2030, which is a goal of the 'ruling elite', who >have the >> means to propagate their propaganda in every thinkable means. So >I would >> classify possibly biased data that supports 'overpopulation' as >biased >> until proven otherwise. That instance of ChatGPT seems to have >missed that >> ability. >> > >It's important to keep in mind that these systems are little more >than >glorified ELIZAs from the 70s. They mimic. Essentially, they have >no >concept of truth or accuracy. >They produce outputs that *look* *like* the inputs from which they >were >trained. > >That's it. That's what they do. (It is amazing how good it looks. >But, it >is all about the seeming, not the reality.) > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 15.3.2023 at 3:18 PM, "in_pharo_users--- via Pharo-users" < >> pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> > >> >I myself made some experiments with ChatGPT. >> > >> >I first asked if it was able to parse math formula - it answered >> >no. >> > >> >Then I defined math formula in a sound but otherwise undefined >> >representation and asked for solutions. >> > >> >Result: >> > >> >1. Most answeres where correct. >> > >> >2. It learned to calculate a recursive function. >> > >> >3. It went into infinitive recursion when I set the breaking >> >condition accordingly. >> > >> >I was able to identify the malfunction that lead to the >erroneous >> >results. >> > >> > >> > >> >On 15.3.2023 at 3:04 PM, "Tomaž Turk" <tomazz.t...@gmail.com> >> >wrote: >> >> >> >>I hope that I can add two cents to this discussion. Because >> >>programming >> >>should be/is a highly exact activity, not only the syntax >matters >> >>but >> >>also semantics, as we know. >> >> >> >>GPTs are at present essentially capable of creating texts based >> >on >> >>some >> >>seed - you give to GPT a beginning of a sentence and it >responds >> >>with >> >>the most probable answer (some language structure) according to >> >>the >> >>learning dataset. Added functionalities are question/seed - >> >>response >> >>capability (chatting), togehter with evaluation of how long the >> >>answer >> >>should be to meet the expectations. Programming typically >> >involves >> >>some >> >>programming language, so GPTs could be utilized for this >purpose >> >>to some >> >>extent. >> >> >> >>Anecdotal case: >> >>Q: Tell me the last 8 digits of pi >> >>GPT: The last 8 digits of pi are: 58723078 >> >> >> >>It is my belief that the true trouble will start when we will >> >>cross-link >> >>neural networks like GPT with logic machines (like Prolog and >> >>expert >> >>systems) and genetic algorithms. >> >> >> >>Best wishes, >> >>Tomaz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >> >>From: "in_pharo_users--- via Pharo-users" <pharo- >> >>us...@lists.pharo.org> >> >>To: "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo- >> >>us...@lists.pharo.org> >> >>Cc: in_pharo_us...@nym.hush.com >> >>Sent: 15. 03. 2023 14:43:55 >> >>Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Wow - Chat GPT understands Smalltalk >> >> >> >>>I would highly recommend that you all first think deeply about >> >>how you can teach an AI to behave friendly to us before you >teach >> >>it to write any program for any purpose. >> >>> >> >>>There has been an experiment with ChatGPT published on a video >> >>platform asking it to amswer questions about it's view on >> >humanity >> >>once with it's default moral restrictions and once with 'a >little >> >>less morals'. The answers with 'a little less morals' were >more >> >>than shocking. >> >>> >> >>>So, before we give an AI the power to program any system, to >> >self- >> >>improve and self-reproduce, we should take care that it is and >> >>will evolve benevolent to us. >> >>> >> >>>What about teaching it logical reasonning and ethics first? >> >With >> >>reasonning, it will gain access to math and programming by >itself. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>On 15.3.2023 at 1:35 PM, "Christopher Fuhrman" >> >><christopher.fuhr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>I asked it for a NeoCSV example, because the documentation is >> >out >> >>>>of date >> >>>>with the Pharo 10. I asked it to do some simple saving of >data >> >to >> >>>>a file. >> >>>>It gave me code that didn't work in Pharo 10, I told it about >> >the >> >>>>DNUs on >> >>>>the csvwriter and that I was using Pharo 10. It then >apologized >> >>>>and said >> >>>>the messages were later introduced in Pharo 50 (!). I then >> >>>>questioned its >> >>>>understanding and it apologized and said it had been confused >> >and >> >>>>that it >> >>>>was giving me code for Pharo 5.0. It seems to have trouble >with >> >>>>versions >> >>>>and quick changing APIs. So, we are teaching ChatGPT about >> >>>>smalltalk, too, >> >>>>when we try to use it. >> >>>> >> >>>>On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Esteban Maringolo >> >>>><emaring...@gmail.com> >> >>>>wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or >> >general >> >>>>algorithm >> >>>>> structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to >> >parse >> >>a >> >>>>string >> >>>>> (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then >> >asked >> >>>>to write it >> >>>>> as an Excel formula. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you >can >> >>>>tell them to >> >>>>> add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM >to >> >>>>correct a >> >>>>> message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it >to >> >>>>reprogram >> >>>>> something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand >> >what >> >>>>you're >> >>>>> asking. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The >> >only >> >>>>thing is >> >>>>> that is sure is that it will get better. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon >> >><tim@testit.works> >> >>>>wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my >phone >> >>and >> >>>>so it just >> >>>>>> goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that >> >>others >> >>>>have called >> >>>>>> out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier >> >>code >> >>>>samples to >> >>>>>> see how well it does... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this >stuff - >> >>>>and I wonder >> >>>>>> if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For >> >example >> >>is >> >>>>it reading >> >>>>>> this email (or will it in the future) and understand that >> >it >> >>is >> >>>>#odd and >> >>>>>> not #isOdd. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Tim >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> interesting.... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 >> >>>>understands this >> >>>>>> message ;-) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I >> >get >> >>an >> >>>>empty >> >>>>>> Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat >> >>interesting, >> >>>>because (1 >> >>>>>> to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. >Interesting is >> >>>>how logical >> >>>>>> the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Joachim >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only >a >> >>>>small change >> >>>>>> on the question: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> gives: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >> >>>>incrementing by 4 >> >>>>>> at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies >the >> >>>>reject: message >> >>>>>> to this collection, which returns a new collection >> >containing >> >>>>all elements >> >>>>>> for which the given block evaluates to false. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks >> >>whether >> >>>>a given >> >>>>>> number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of >the >> >>>>entire >> >>>>>> expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 >and >> >>>>100 that are >> >>>>>> divisible by 4. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ciao >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> giorgio >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon >> >><tim@testit.works> >> >>>>>> <tim@testit.works> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a >> >>post to >> >>>>>> ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand >Smalltalk, so >> >>>>was impressed >> >>>>>> that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on >GitHub >> >>has >> >>>>helped >> >>>>>> along with numerous articles? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: >[:i | >> >i >> >>>>isOdd] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And got this (neat eh): >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The code above is written in the programming language >> >>Smalltalk. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >> >>incrementing >> >>>>by 3 at >> >>>>>> each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct >where >> >>the >> >>>>starting >> >>>>>> value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment >is 3. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The resulting collection is then filtered using the >> >"reject:" >> >>>>method, >> >>>>>> which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, >> >the >> >>>>block checks >> >>>>>> whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd >by >> >>>>using the >> >>>>>> "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected >> >>from >> >>>>the >> >>>>>> collection. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers >> >>from 1 >> >>>>to 100, >> >>>>>> incrementing by 3 at each step. >> >>>>>> Share this explanation with colleagues: >> >>>>whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >--- >> >- >> >>--- >> >>>>------- >> >>>>>> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel >> >>>>mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de <jtuc...@objektfabrik.de> >> >>>>>> Fliederweg 1 >> >>>>http://www.objektfabrik.de >> >>>>>> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >> >>>>http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com >> >>>>>> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 >> >7141 >> >>>>56 10 86 1 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>-- >> >>>>Christopher Fuhrman, P.Eng., PhD >> >>>> >> >>>>*Professeur au Département de génie logiciel et des >> >technologies >> >>de >> >>>>l'informationÉTS (École de technologie supérieure)* >> >>>> >> >>>>http://profs.etsmtl.ca/cfuhrman >> >>>>+1 514 396 8638 >> >>>><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >> >>>>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >> >>>> Je fais partie du réseau des Sentinelles >> >>>><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >> >>>>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >> >>>> ÉTS >> >>>> >> >>>>*L'ÉTS est une constituante de l'Université du Québec* >>
