But your reading of non-interest in CS within the sub-culture of blacks and women is a confirmation bias, reading from numbers in a circular fashion: low inscription numbers in sub-cultures show a non-interest, which is confirmed by those low numbers.
I can tell you first hand that my impossibility to assist yearly to ESUG is not because the non-interest in the "Colombian subculture", which I belong to, about live coding or Smalltalk. In fact I learned Pharo by making Grafoscopio[1], despite of poor OOP undergrad classes and thanks to a self/family funded PhD studies that were *not* on computer science. But I know people here that is willing to learn and they don't have proper time/resources to do it. Despite the Colombia visa issues (and stupid jokes about Escobar at immigration and else where, because a Hispanic with a different visa has different issues, or not) and despite of the funding issues or my self learn English, that make my participation difficult in international events, I have privileges that many around have not. Instead of making them invisible, thinking in technology/code as being build "ex nihilo", disregarding context and people involve in such endeavors, I try to deconstruct them and be inclusive. That's why I care about diversity and respect being explicit in the community (for example in the CoC) [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/en.html But as said, your contributions to the project and the soundness of your arguments on the source code repository via PR, will be the more heavy that the longest mail thread we can have here. Cheers, Offray On 23/09/19 10:07 a. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > I am a dark-skinned hispanic male from the United States and have not > experienced any discriminatary practices whatsoever. Nor have I > witnessed anything that I find that "is a problem" in the tech world. > As far as "colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to > succeed" is patently false. Most colleges, at least in the united > states, are very biased to left-wing political views. > > So no. > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:39 AM Stephan Eggermont <step...@stack.nl > <mailto:step...@stack.nl>> wrote: > > Steve Quezadas <steve...@gmail.com <mailto:steve...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. > > SJW is a political construct from the extreme right. As a straight > white > male from Western Europe I have seen enough discriminatory practices > applied to less privileged friends to know there is a problem. And > as I can > afford to speak up, I do. > > > Look at the low proportion of blacks and women who > > apply for CS majors in college. Are you going to say that > colleges are > > using discriminatory practices to keep blacks and women from > taking CS > > classes? > > Yes, the colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to > succeed. > There are enough models explaining why that happens > > > Maybe the bulk of the low recruitment statistics is simply due to > > non-interest within that sub-culture. > > Back to identity politics? > > Stephan > > > > > > > > >
