Hi,

> On 7 Jul 2018, at 17:18, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 07.07.2018 um 17:08 schrieb Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferli...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> Le 07/07/2018 à 16:17, Ben Coman a écrit :
>>> Any seeming agreement may just have been the nay-sayers falling silent since
>>> there seemed little chance of having it changed when it came as a
>>> done-deal with Nautilus.
>>> Personally I tried to conform to using the double-sequence-shortcuts
>>> but could never get over the cumbersome feel of it,
>>> to the point where in Nautlius I actually stopped using shortcuts and
>>> reverted to using context menus.
>>> 
>>> I guess lovers of the double-sequence-shortcuts are now in that boat.
>>> I'm not sure there was much discussion around Calypso using
>>> single-key-shortcuts.
>>> But I'm personally very happy with this behaviour change introduced by
>>> Nautlius was reverted.
>>> I'm glad to using shortcuts in the System Browser again.
>>> 
>> For my part I'm not because before I could delete/rename/add a
>> package/class/protocol/method without the mouse

Yes, but it was not working properly nor everywhere.

>> but now it became much
>> harder with simple key shortcut since it works only on the focused pane.

Now in calypso you have cmd+/ who will show you an spotter with all options. 
You can then select the command you look for. I do not use mouse when using 
calypso thanks to this addition.

In general, while it requires some time to get used to it (and some options 
needs renames, etc. to make a better experience) is a lot more powerful than 
shortcuts (because let’s be realistic there will be always more options than 
shortcuts available), and makes commands easier to find/learn.

Another thing is that we still need to find which commands deserve a shortcut 
anyway :)

>> 
>> But I guess this kind of things depend on everyone.
>> 
>> Maybe it could be good to be able to customize it via settings.
>> 
> I don‘t understand anyway why keyboard shortcuts are dependent on a tool. 
> Shouldn‘t there be an abstraction mapping between action and shortcut?

Because tools as most of the system was badly designed, without a central 
vision and without and it evolved (mutated?) without any control.

This is changing, but as always iterative development means we cannot just 
throw everything and start over (something I dream to do, but this will also 
bring new problems so… :P)

Cheers,
Esteban

> 
> Norbert
>>> cheers -ben
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cyril Ferlicot
>> https://ferlicot.fr <https://ferlicot.fr/>

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