On 6/26/18, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > As I mentioned - the user in question was quite complimentary, just confused > on first launch. > > Equally we don’t want to impact power users, and ultimately we want to > encourage everyone to try newer images to help with improvements. > > I honestly think that some slightly improved terminology and a bit of > guidance to get your first image (eg picking the correct one) is all it > takes.
+1 Maybe just a note on the download website which 'new project' (image) beginners should go for.... --Hannes > > Once you’ve groked it - you are off. We just want that first experience to > be pleasant. > > I personally like to see the list of images and understand how many builds > have been made as it’s comforting to see the progress and be encouraged to > join in. > > I as going to propose a simple change to the name on the lists like: > > “Templates” -> “Image Templates” or maybe even “Project Templates” > > “Images” -> “Downloaded Images” or maybe “Created Projects” > > (While we are familiar with the term image, maybe it’s an implementation > detail - eclipse and IntelliJ create projects, and we aren’t so different) > > We could also as Cyril suggests, have a little welcome window with some text > and a picture. > > Both really simple to do and probably enough to get people started. After > all, our audience is reasonable technical so we shouldn’t need to dumb It > down too much. > > I’m also conscious about here is a lot of Pharo 7 work to do as well. > > Tim > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:09, Christophe Demarey <christophe.dema...@inria.fr> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim, >> >>> Le 26 juin 2018 à 03:00, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> a écrit : >>> >>> On 26 June 2018 at 06:17, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>>> Hi everyone - at tonights month UK Smalltalk Meetup, we got some nice >>>> compliments on the state of Pharo (the participants - all ex small >>>> talkers - although ex in so much as they fondly remembered it and wanted >>>> to use it for something relevant now because they enjoyed it in the >>>> past). >>>> >>>> Anyway, one interesting comment stuck out - he had downloaded Pharo >>>> (having used Visual Age 15+ years ago) and was a bit overwhelmed with >>>> what laugher presented to him. He didn’t hate it - but was initially a >>>> bit lost as to what it all meant and how to start… he figured it out, >>>> but I thought the feedback was interesting and made me think that maybe >>>> we need some form of intro wizard to get people off to a quick start but >>>> leave them confident enough that they might come back and try a Pharo 7 >>>> or Moose etc. >>>> >>>> I encouraged him to post something on here, but thoughtI would note it >>>> (as it seems quite easy to fix) as an idea while it was fresh in my >>>> mind. >>>> >>> >>> A welcome tutorial is a good idea. And btw, the sort of idea that only >>> comes from broader use of PharoLauncher. >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> We also got this feedback from students. We know we have to improve the UI >> by simplifying it. >> Our idea was to only provide a window with a toolbar and the list of >> images as the main Pharo Launhcer window. >> On this windows, clicking on the + button will open a « wizard » like the >> one for creating repositories in Iceberg. There you could choose to create >> an image from « featured images » or ci, etc. >> >> It would lower a lot the cognitive charge of the current window. >> We just need time to implement it. >> >> Cheers, >> Christophe >> >> >
