I think that thread safety comes with a penalty - so the overarching question is are we trying to create thread safe browsers (or does a thread safe penalty even impact browsing as maybe it's negligible?)
Monty - maybe you could measure the impact if you are interested in this? If it's not much and we just need to encapsulate it with some mechanism (potentially having thread safety critics we can enable) then it's possibly something Calypso can embrace. This said, multi user editing is not something that has really taken off. Jason at VW did lots with Wolfpack, and it wasn't an idea that gained lots of traction a few years ago (sadly). It's tricky as we have to spend our engineering resources wisely. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Aug 2017, at 19:41, Gabriel Cotelli <g.cote...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Suerly we can add a Critics Rule trying to detect the invalid pattern. > >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:39 AM, monty <mon...@programmer.net> wrote: >> > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:36 AM >> > From: "Denis Kudriashov" <dionisi...@gmail.com> >> > To: "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> >> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Thread-safe initialization of class state (was >> > Re: Threads safety in Pharo) >> > >> > What package you explore? I not find fileTypes method in Pharo 7. >> >> Like I said, it's a hypothetical example. But I'm sure you could find >> similar examples of unsafe class state initialization in the image and in >> popular libraries. >> >> > 2017-08-11 8:53 GMT+02:00 monty >> > <mon...@programmer.net[mailto:mon...@programmer.net]>:Here's a >> > hypothetical broken class method that does lazy initialization of a class >> > inst var: >> > >> > fileTypes >> > fileTypes ifNil: [ >> > fileTypes := Dictionary new. >> > fileTypes >> > at: 'txt' put: 'Text File'; >> > at: 'html' put: 'Web Page'; >> > at: 'pdf' put: 'Portable Document Format File'; >> > at: 'doc' put: 'Microsoft Word Document']. >> > ^ fileTypes. >> > >> > Because the assignment is done first and the initialization is done after >> > with a cascade of interruptable sends of #at:put:, there's a window after >> > the assignment where 'fileTypes' is not nil but also not fully >> > initialized--a race condition. >> > >> > The fix is simple. Do the initialization before the atomic assignment >> > takes place, so the var is only ever bound to nil or a fully initialized >> > object: >> > >> > fileTypes >> > fileTypes ifNil: [ >> > fileTypes := >> > Dictionary new >> > at: 'txt' put: 'Text File'; >> > at: 'html' put: 'Web Page'; >> > at: 'pdf' put: 'Portable Document Format >> > File'; >> > at: 'doc' put: 'Microsoft Word Document'; >> > yourself]. >> > ^ fileTypes. >> > >> > The fixed code is still vulnerable to duplicate initialization, because >> > the initialization sequence is interruptable and 'fileTypes' is nil during >> > it, but as long as the initialization is cheap enough, has no side effects >> > that restrict how often it can be done, and it's enough that the >> > initialized objects are equal (but not identical), that's OK. >> > >> > If it's too complex for a single statement, you can use a temp vars or put >> > it in a separate factory method: >> > >> > fileTypes >> > fileTypes ifNil: [ >> > fileTypes := self newFileTypes]. >> > ^ fileTypes. >> > >> > Similar precautions (given how easy) might as well be taken with explicit >> > initialization of class state too. Of course if the object is mutated >> > later (in other methods), then Mutexes or other constructs are needed to >> > guard access. But for immutable class state, ensuring initialization is >> > done before assignment should be enough. >> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 at 7:36 AM >> > > From: "Stephane Ducasse" >> > > <stepharo.s...@gmail.com[mailto:stepharo.s...@gmail.com]> >> > > To: "Any question about pharo is welcome" >> > > <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org[mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org]> >> > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Threads safety in Pharo >> > > >> > > I would love to have an analysis of assumptions made in some code. >> > > Because my impression is that the concurrent code is sometimes defined >> > > knowing the underlying logic of scheduler and this is not good. >> > > As I said to abdel privately in french it would be great to start from >> > > my french squeak book (Yes I wrote one long time ago) chapter on >> > > concurrent programming and turn it into a pharo chapter. >> > > >> > > Stef >> > > >> > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Ben Coman >> > > <b...@openinworld.com[mailto:b...@openinworld.com]> wrote: >> > > > Not sure I'll have what you're looking for, but to start, do you mean >> > > > Pharo's green threads or vm native threads? >> > > > cheers -ben >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Alidra Abdelghani via Pharo-users >> > > > <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org[mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > >> From: Alidra Abdelghani >> > > >> <alidran...@yahoo.fr[mailto:alidran...@yahoo.fr]> >> > > >> To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org[mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org] >> > > >> Cc: "Stéphane Ducasse" >> > > >> <stephane.duca...@inria.fr[mailto:stephane.duca...@inria.fr]>, farid >> > > >> arfi >> > > >> <arf...@hotmail.com[mailto:arf...@hotmail.com]> >> > > >> Bcc: >> > > >> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 01:38:58 +0200 >> > > >> Subject: Threads safety in Pharo >> > > >> Hi, >> > > >> >> > > >> Somebody once evoked the problem of threads safety in Pharo. With a >> > > >> friend >> > > >> of mine who is expert in formal methods and process scheduling, we >> > > >> would >> > > >> like to have a look on it. >> > > >> Does anyone knows a good document describing the problem of Pharo with >> > > >> threads safety or at least any document that we can start with? >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks in advance, >> > > >> Abdelghani >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >
