On 12/28/2015 04:58 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote:


2015-12-28 3:15 GMT+01:00 Robert Withers <robert.w.with...@gmail.com <mailto:robert.w.with...@gmail.com>>:

    Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it
    was enough for the list and was signing off further comment when
    Ben decided he really needed to add his two cents. It is
    unfortunate he did not spend his change in a positive manner but
    wished to be negative and critical.




Hi Robert,
usually, I don't comment on this kind of discussion. It wastes resources we don't have. I just want to let other peoples (like ben, phil, johan,...) know, that I share their opinion. I don't like if people argue with "I am censored", because someone critisized you.
I don't like if people see every critic as a negative personel attack.

you post on this list, and people suggest to stay ontopic resp. explain how this things are related
to pharo. That's all.

Which is exactly what I did, I posted how it is related and still caught a knee-jerk reaction. I am drawing a line. I will continue to reference religious and scriptural meta-models. There is coherent thought in these models and they are familiar to the majority of the people on the planet, the average person, even if the intellectuals fail to resonate with it. This familiarity makes it a good model for the average person to interact. Seems to be a lack of knowledge on the side of the intellectuals.

Robert



nicolai

    I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on
    the substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is
    twice as long. Not my doing.  Some things must be challenged.

    Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion.

    robert

    On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:
    Hi Robert,

    I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level,
    but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters,
    (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted
    responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail
    often hide)

    cheers -ben

    On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers
    <robert.w.with...@gmail.com> <mailto:robert.w.with...@gmail.com>  wrote:
    *My apologies...I'll try for #random. :)*

    nameste,
    robert


    --
    There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas):
    1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya),
    2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita),
    3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga),
    4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and
    5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as
    being death.
    (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)


    On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:

    I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was
    jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy
    of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is
    there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have
    no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).

    cheers,
    robert

    ---

    And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me.
    Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer
    of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am
    not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the
    very source of creation.




    On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:

    On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška<g...@atmarama.com> 
<mailto:g...@atmarama.com>  wrote:

    On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:

    Hello Robert,

    Good day Saša,

    Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge
    sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and
    a good thing too.

    Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not
    understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.

    I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and
    effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge
    supplants older limited knowledge.


    As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint:
    it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)

    :-)

    Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is
    split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this
    speculation when you find #new! :-)
    Hare hare and Merry Christmas,

    Haribol and Happy New Year!

    Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!

    ---
    But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My
    transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they
    have.


    --
    As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
    whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
    transcendent self.








-- Robert
    .  ..   ...    ^,^



--
Robert
.  ..   ...    ^,^

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