Hi Robert, I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level, but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail often hide)
cheers -ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers <robert.w.with...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have always > thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The VM > is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image together, > through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead. > > I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was the > meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form. > > Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for > #random. :) > > nameste, > robert > > > -- > There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): > 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), > 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), > 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), > 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and > 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as > being death. > (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha) > > > On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote: > > I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was > jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy > of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is > there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have > no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:). > > cheers, > robert > > --- > > And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. > Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer > of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am > not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the > very source of creation. > > > > > On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote: > > On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška <g...@atmarama.com> wrote: > > On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: > > Hello Robert, > > Good day Saša, > > Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge > sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and > a good thing too. > > Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not > understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating. > > I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and > effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge > supplants older limited knowledge. > > > As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: > it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) > > :-) > > Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is > split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this > speculation when you find #new! :-) > > > Hare hare and Merry Christmas, > > Haribol and Happy New Year! > > Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat! > > --- > But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My > transcendental form—to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they > have. > > > -- > As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, > whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the > transcendent self. > > > > > > >
