I second Phil's argument on the main problem being the lack of
consistency of shorcuts between platforms and contexts. Ctrl+c, Ctrl+v
is the most felt one, particularly on apps that use GT toolkit. Seeing
Stephan experiments' is inspiring.
Cheers,
Offray
On 21/09/15 15:29, p...@highoctane.be wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com
<mailto:i.uh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Andrew Glynn <aglyn...@gmail.com
<mailto:aglyn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'm not sure that those developers will ever be happy with
Smallltalk.
> Unless you can do everything in VI and compile on the command
line, they
> feel there's something wrong.
Perhaps you need to widen your perspective.
Just because there are fundamentalists on one side doesn't mean that
you have to became fundamentalist on the other side to balance it
out...
Pharo is full of shortcuts, because they are very useful. (And if you
are not using them you are only hurting yourself.)
The point is not to take everything to extreme, but to see what's
valuable and explore.
The main issue is that the shortcuts aren't consistent across
platforms (or sometimes just conflict or do not work).
Like in Pharo 5/Windows, some things are okay with Ctl-key, and not
Alt-key (they were in the past). And some Alt-key works in specific
contexts.
Or in Linux, some things are giving problems.
I like the new $r command | $r control | ... scheme. Much cleaner.
What is not nice is that GTInspector isn't picking up the new combos
as it displays the KM class and not the shortcut.
Back to keyboard, the TilingWindowManager (working back on that atm)
has potential.
I am a vim and tmux user, and Ctl-W hjkl is really useful, as is
Ctl-PgUp/PgDown, Or Ctl-z etc.
One of the features I am going to add is that Ctl-W hjkl window
selection as it is too good to pass.
I am mousing a lot in Pharo (even if I know about the shortcuts). It
is nice to be able to search around by point and click.
Now, we need to rationalize some wordings, especially "Users of X",
"References to X". Confuses people.
With such keyboard movements, the desktop manager, a good TWM, and
spotter, that's a great thing. Playground needs to be integrated
closer with spotter. I want to launch a playground from there, using
what I typed as a command (yes, I know there were discussions
for/against that one. Still, I find myself retyping into Playground
what typed into Spotter. Frustrating.)
There is a lot of power in Pharo keybindings, we need to streamline
this. What an awesome tool we have here!
Excited by Pharo more than ever.
Phil
Peter
