> On 13 Feb 2015, at 19:06, Sebastian Heidbrink <shei...@yahoo.de> wrote: > > By the way,.... this is why I am pushing so hard. > > https://makerspacenanaimo.org/software-smalltalk-night/ > > Sebastian
Cool. > Am 13.02.2015 um 09:49 schrieb Sebastian Heidbrink: >> Hallo Sven, >> >> thank you for the video link, google linked me to a video from 2013 that was >> not recorded in a way that once could follwo the presentation. >> This one is super. >> >> Well, I think I am slowly getting there and I can more and more provide you >> with the uneccessary barries of Spec that I encountered. >> >> In the talk at 15:35 min Johan mentions the need of a interpreter and this >> method is mentionded several times during the talk. >> Browse your Pharo image,.... there is none! >> So what is misleading in the current Spec implementation and the examples is >> the follwong fact. >> The developer is confronted with Model classes that actually are ViewModels. >> Actions for buttons are implemented in Blocks which gives the developer >> intially the feeling that Control Layer and Model/ViewModel layer are one. >> The SpecDefinitions do not work properly in my case and Stephan just found >> out some issues with font sizes,.... well I have Moose and Roassal in my >> image and my fonts are no more default .... well my fault. I just hope I >> will still be able to somehow find a solution for this issue. >> And last but not least, the all examples have no interpreter/control or real >> model layer.... >> This is why I think it would be very helpful for beginners to have one >> example, like a sushi store, where one can actually see how an application >> is built through all the layers.... >> >> Sushi store?! Well, That was an example for a demo that show cases a whole >> technology. >> And I meant exactly some thing like the HPCalculator! >> >> Well, I need to do some tests based on what I 've learnt now,.... I have no >> idea about adaptors, yet, but it seems they need to be understod a little >> later.... >> Is there a project/repository where one could push code to give other the >> chance to review and chance it before it is published as a "demo" or example? >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> Am 13.02.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> From now on it is forbidden to complain about Spec in general, unspecific >>> terms unless you have taken the time to learn about it. Here is a guide to >>> documentation about Spec, most recent first. >>> >>> >>> There is an excellent presentation by Johan Fabry did during the last Pharo >>> Days, 'Using Spec to Build a UI'. *MUST WATCH* (the video is not yet fully >>> public, but soon will be, the link should work though): >>> >>> http://youtu.be/OL23s9ZUIR0?list=PL4actYd6bfnz98ngrKALwwStl3C3odEKG >>> >>> The slides are also not yet available, but soon will be (the talk is much >>> better that the slides on their own). >>> >>> >>> This draft chapter 'Spec: a framework for describing user interfaces' for >>> an upcoming book: >>> >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/PharoBookWorkInProgress/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/Spec/Spec.pier.html >>> >>> >>> Look in the image. >>> >>> Browse the hierarchy below AbstractWidgetModel in the category >>> Spec-Core-Widgets in Pharo 4, look at the protocols called 'protocol' & >>> 'protocol-events' mainly. Look for references to each class. Trace senders >>> of methods until you arrive at examples. Study the examples, play with >>> them, change them. >>> >>> The UI of most tools in Pharo is also implemented using Spec. Browse the >>> hierarchy below ComposableModel to find them. (Komitter, Versionner, >>> Critics, Metacello, the old Eye Inspectors, ..). Watch and learn. >>> >>> >>> The cool Spec website: >>> >>> http://spec.st >>> >>> >>> Read some cool articles like: >>> >>> https://medium.com/concerning-pharo/rediscovering-the-ux-of-the-legendary-hp-35-scientific-pocket-calculator-d1d497ece999 >>> >>> >>> See the section 'HP35CalculatorModel' for the Spec part. >>> >>> >>> The following papers (some older ones refer to API that has changed): >>> >>> 'Seamless Composition and Reuse of Customizable User Interfaces with Spec' >>> >>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/archives/papers/Ryse13a-SCICO-Spec.pdf >>> >>> 'Spec - A Framework for the Specification and Reuse of UIs and their Models' >>> >>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/archives/papers/Ryse12b-Spec-IWST12-Final.pdf >>> >>> 'Spec – Technical Report' >>> >>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/archives/reports/Ryse12a-SpecTechReport.pdf >>> >>> >>> Use the image to build a couple of simple UIs using Spec. You will be >>> surprised to learn that it is not that difficult. Just go with the flow, >>> don't try to enforce your world view on it, wait until you are further >>> along. >>> >>> >>> Have fun ! >>> >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> >>> PS: Once you have done all the above, you are most welcome to help improve >>> Spec by discussing specific, concrete issues. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sven Van Caekenberghe >>> Proudly supporting Pharo >>> http://pharo.org >>> http://association.pharo.org >>> http://consortium.pharo.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >
