ok officially I am confused are we talking about initialise at the instance side or class side (metaclass) side ?
I am a python coder myself but I have not done any metaprogramming . If it is a metaprogramming thing then yes it wont go inside my intro chapter since this is advanced topic and metaprogramming is already covered by PBE on a separate chapter so that can be added there. Since I am not experienced with metaprogramming it would be better if people experienced with Pharo and metaprogramming would write the documentation . On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:16 PM, webwarrior <r...@webwarrior.ws> wrote: > This is not something fundamental to OOP, just specific to Pharo or > Smalltalk. > > Take for example Python. It has similar object model (objects, classes, > metaclasses). Every time class is defined (either by class keyword, or > by type() function, or by calling a metaclass), its metaclass' __init__ > method is called. > Usually you don't need to redefine metaclass' __init__ method, because > class attributes are initialized in class definition. But when you do, > it works as expected. > > 27.08.2014 15:50, kilon.alios [via Smalltalk] написав(ла): > > > I will be adding an "Introduction to Object Orientation" chapter to the > > new updated Pharo By Example online book, so I will add this to the > > chapter. The chapter will target people not familiar with Object > > Orientation and people new to coding. Its not an immediate target but it > > will happen till the end of the year. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email] > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4775051&i=0>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM, webwarrior <[hidden email] > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4775051&i=1>> wrote: > > > > As class is just an object in Smalltalk, it would be reasonable > > to believe > > that #initialize message is always sent to class on creation. > > > > However, that's not true. It is only sent to classes that > redefine > > #initialize. Also sending super initialize may lead to problems. > > > > > > Ohhh yes. There is always a time for every Smalltalkers where you > > discover that doing super for class side initialize is not a good > idea. > > Here was my time: > > > http://forum.world.st/super-initialize-is-not-a-good-idea-for-Behaviors-td3086162.html > > > > None of these is mentioned in documentation (I assume Pahro By > > Example is > > the official one). It only says that #initialize is sent when > > class is > > loaded into memory. > > > > I think either this behavior should be made more consistent, or > > excplicitly > > mentioned in the docs. > > > > > > > > +1 to the documentation > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > > http://forum.world.st/Unintuitive-behavior-of-class-side-initialize-tp4775042.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > > Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > > below: > > > http://forum.world.st/Unintuitive-behavior-of-class-side-initialize-tp4775042p4775051.html > > > > To unsubscribe from Unintuitive behavior of class-side initialize, click > > here > > < > > NAML > > < > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Unintuitive behavior of class-side > initialize > <http://forum.world.st/Unintuitive-behavior-of-class-side-initialize-tp4775042p4775088.html> > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >
