yes normally there is one :)
Now I will check who is in.
What we should pay attention is that we are not really in favor of private 
discussions (even if I understand it fr business it is important).
If you think that this would be good we can create a private business list.

Stef


> BTW, is there any special consortium list where we can discuss business out 
> of the public eye?
> 
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> 
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Stéphane Ducasse 
> <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >
> > You could try:
> >
> > | floats |
> > floats := (1 to: 200000) collect: #asFloat.
> > [ FloatPrintPolicy
> >    value: InexactFloatPrintPolicy new
> >    during: [
> >        String new: 1500000 streamContents: [ :stream |
> >            floats do: [ :each | each printOn: stream ] ] ] ] timeToRun
> >
> > => 796 ms
> >
> > I haven't looked at the Postgresql driver in detail, but I would guess that 
> > PostgresV2 reads from a String somewhere, which is slow unless care is 
> > taken, while psycopg probably does a binary read. That last thing can be 
> > done in Pharo as well, but not if the driver is text based somehow.
> >
> > You are right: Pharo should definitively be in the same range as other 
> > dynamically typed languages. But dynamic languages are dangerous: user 
> > become lazy / ignorant about performance.
> >
> > Thanks for pushing this.
> 
> +1
> we need more people to profile and look at these aspects.
> I can tell you that we are all working like crazy to improve the system and I 
> hope that one of these days we will have
> real regression tests. But well you know it takes a lot of time.
> 
> Stef
> 
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