On 23.07.2013, at 15:32, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote:
> Mariano,
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> Am 23.07.2013 um 14:43 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck <marianop...@gmail.com>:
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>> Norbert, does the model have lots of strings? Because if so you can try 
>> using the compression. It may increase speed. There is always a trade off 
>> between the additional time of compressing/uncompressing. But if the model 
>> has quite an amount of strings, since writing to disk is also slow and the 
>> final stream would be smaller, it could be faster. 
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> thanks. Yes, the model is a lot of Dictionaries having string keys. And there 
> are lots more. The usage of the model is write once read many. And 30ms is 
> good enough for me. So I might try compression only to see the difference. 
> Well, and maybe to reduce storage size. The mcz is now 261 kb. 
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> Thanks, I'll see but I am already satisfied with the current approach. 
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> Mmmm I thought it was ready, sorry my bad. Seems it was not ready nor 
> integrated: https://code.google.com/p/fuel/issues/detail?id=160
> But I might be wrong. 
> Max?

No, that issue is still open. You're welcome to use the experimental version 
though (Fuel-MaxLeske.757.mcz in http://www.squeaksource.com/FuelExperiments) 
but keep in mind that this is a few months behind stable.

The other idea however, that Mariano describes in the linked issue, is 
available but probably not desirable: simply pass a compressing stream to Fuel 
(see FLGZippedBasicSerializationTest for an example on how to do that). That 
will compress *all* data, not only strings (which is the idea outlined in the 
linked issue).

Cheers,
Max

(Note: I don't read the users list so please put me on the CC explicitly if you 
want me to read on)

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> Cheers, 
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> Norbert
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>> Cheers, 
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>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote:
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>> Am 23.07.2013 um 14:23 schrieb "jtuc...@objektfabrik.de" 
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>> > Norbert,
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>> > Am 23.07.13 14:07, schrieb Norbert Hartl:
>> >> Joachim,
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>> >> I'm aware that you can do serialization/deserialization yourself. I was 
>> >> asking for something to help along the way because a have quite some 
>> >> model classes to cover. I want a more generalized way of doing it. As 
>> >> often I really think about things _after_ I've sent the mail :)
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>> > We seem to have a lot in common here. Regard it this way: sending the mail 
>> > made you think again. So the mail itself was all but useless.
>> >> I think I have to options:
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>> >> 1. The most generic one is serializing into Fuel and compile the 
>> >> ByteArray in a method.
>> >> 2. The most readable one will be using STON and compiling the STON string 
>> >> into a method
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>> >> Maybe I should try both.
>> > I'd be very interested in what you find. I guess Fuel is smaller and maybe 
>> > even faster. STON, OTOH, is much friendlier for comparing versions and 
>> > such.
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>> Well, I can't look at the method but I don't find ByteArrays not that 
>> interesting anyway. So the actual size of the serialized byte array is
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>> (ByteArray streamContents: [:stream|
>>                 FLSerializer serialize: TCAP current model on: stream ]) size
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>> is 237445 Bytes. Serializing
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>> [ MAPExampleModels class compile: 'tcap
>>         ^ ', (ByteArray streamContents: [:stream|
>>                 FLSerializer serialize: TCAP current model on: stream ]) 
>> storeString ] timeToRun
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>> took 647 ms
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>> but
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>> [FLMaterializer materializeFromByteArray: MAPExampleModels tcap] timeToRun
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>> took only 30ms. Basically I'm not fond of putting too much binary stuff into 
>> compiled methods but it is the most easy and reliable way of providing tests 
>> with test data. The whole grammar is stored in methods as well. It is text 
>> but….
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>> I think I stay with it for a while.
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>>  Norbert
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>> Mariano
>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
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