Kevin,

I'm looking at trying to fix some clear flaws in costing which cause
of our real-world queries to choose sub-optimal plans under PostgreSQL.
It's clear that there needs to be a tool to analyze the accuracy of
costing for a variety of queries, both to direct any efforts to fix
problems and to test for possible costing regressions.  As far as I can
tell, no such tool currently exists.  If I've missed something, please
let me know, even if it's ad hoc or incomplete.

Actually, this is pretty completely what I've been thinking about for the last year. I'm very happy that someone else is interested in working on it.

(2)  A large database must be created for these tests, since many
issues don't show up in small tables.  The same data must be generated
in every database, so results are comparable and reproducable.

(3)  Developers should be able to easily add test cases, either for
their own use or contributed to the community.

Sure. However, I think it's important to seperate the test cases from the cost collection tool. Our *best* test cases will be real production applications. For synthetic test cases, we can look to improving DBT-OSDL, Jan-TPCW, OSDBB and eDB's test (if they ever publish it). The only thing that mess of tests is lacking is easy setup and portability.


(7)  I envision a process to create a test database, populate it, run a
series of test cases with EXPLAIN ANALYZE, capture the results, parse
the results and store them in a database, analyze the results to find
means and standard deviations both overall and for each type of plan,
and report summaries and outliers -- with references to the test cases.
The primary statistic of interest is actual time divided by cost.  This
seems like it would be of interest overall, and within the permutations
mentioned above for a single query.

I would actually like to do this differently. I think an asynchronous logging mechanism is more useful, because there are cost estimation problems which don't show up except under conditions of concurrency and heavy server load. For this reason, it's very important that this kind of cost collection could be performed on a production application.

What that would mean is some process whereby the system could sample, say, 5% of the queries being run (at random) and run EXPLAIN ANALYZEs against them, logging the results in a way that could be tabularized.

Speaking of which, I think you're missing an important first step: tabular output for EXPLAIN ANALYZE. A whole host of query testing tools could be developed if it were easy to shove EA results into a format where statistics could be run on them. Without it, it's pretty hard to do the rest of the testing.

So, what do you think?

How much time do you have to spend on this?

I'd like to offer you the TestPerf project on pgfoundry (www.pgfoundry.org/projects/testperf) as a container for your work on this idea. I also have access to a variety of test machines for performance tests.

--Josh


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