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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Andreas Pflug
Sent: Sun 6/19/2005 12:23 AM
To: Tom Lane
Cc: Robert Treat; Magnus Hagander; pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] default database creation with initdb
 
> This contradicts my intention to have users *not* to write to it, but 
> reserve it for system like stuff. You  might take everything that's not 
> in postgres binary as non-system, but the average user's perception is 
> different.

The main intention of my original post was to suggest a way of keeping users 
out of template1. This still remains the main issue imo, and one that a 
'default' database would resolve perfectly well.

> Apparently we really need two initdb created databases for all purposes.

Whether or not users should write to the default db is another issue 
altogether, and one that I'd rather not see causing this idea to be rejected or 
get delayed past freeze. If 'default' is writeable, then so what if users use 
it? It won't stop pgAdmin from working, and it won't stop CREATE DATABASE from 
working. If we /really/ don't want them looking at what we're writing to the 
cluster, then we can just as easily agree a standard name for a database with 
phpPgAdmin and any other interested projects, and all co-exist in that. The 
first time any of the products is used, it creates the database if required.

The important thing is that we have a default database for users to connect to 
from initdb time, and that it isn't template1.

Now, as you (Andreas) already seem to have written the easy part of the patch, 
are you going to check the rest of the docs & sources for references to 
template1 (and correct where required), or shall I take some time tomorrow? :-)

Regards, Dave.

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