Greg,
You don't like Java/C#. I do. There's not much point arguing about it. You feel that abstract classes are equivalent to interfaces provided you have multiple inheritance, I don't since I'm in favor of a totally clean interface/implementation separation.
Now you bring in the Java security model. We could of course discuss that and I could argue that MI was rejected for other reasons then the one you mention. But I don't think that's going to lead anywhere.
If you feel that C++ and/or Common Lisp is a better OO language then Java and C#, then for you it certanly is. For me it's not. Let's just respect eachothers standpoint and end the discussion here.
Kind regards,
Thomas Hallgren
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