Dean, * Dean Rasheed (dean.a.rash...@gmail.com) wrote: > On 13 June 2014 01:13, Stephen Frost <sfr...@snowman.net> wrote: > > This approach was suggested by an existing user testing out this RLS > > approach, to be fair, but it looks pretty sane to me as a way to address > > some of these concerns. Certainly open to other ideas and thoughts though. > > Yeah, I was thinking something like this could work, but I would go > further. Suppose you had separate GRANTable privileges for direct > access to individual tables, bypassing RLS, e.g. > > GRANT DIRECT SELECT|INSERT|UPDATE|DELETE ON table_name TO role_name
This is certainly an interesting idea and I'm glad we're getting this
level of discussion early on in the 9.5 cycle as I'd really like to see
a good solution implemented for 9.5.
I've been going back-and-forth about this and what's really swaying me
right now is that it'd be nearly impossible to determine if a given RLS
qual actually allows full access to a table for a given user without
going through the entire table and testing the qual against each row.
With this GRANT ability, we'd be able to completely avoid calling the
RLS quals when the user is granted this right.
Not sure offhand how many bits we've got left at the per-table level
though; we added TRUNCATE rights not that long ago and this looks like
another good right to add, but there are only so many bits available..
At the same time, I do think this is something we could also add later,
perhaps after figuring out a good way to extend the set of bits
available for privileges on tables.
> Combined with the GUC (direct_table_access, say) to request direct
> access to all tables. Then with direct_table_access = true/required, a
> SELECT from a table would error if the user hadn't been granted the
> DIRECT SELECT privilege on all the tables referenced in the query.
I can see this working. One thing I'm curious about is if we would want
to support this inside of the SELECT statement (or perhaps COPY?)
directly, rather than making a user have to flip a GUC back and forth
while they're doing something. I can imagine, during testing, a session
looking like this:
select * from table;
@#@!$!
set direct_table_access = true;
select * from table;
select * from table where blah = x;
alter table set row level security blah = x;
select * from table;
select * from table;
select * from table;
@!#$!@#!
set direct_table_access = false;
select * from table;
...
Would 'select direct' or 'select * from DIRECT table' (or maybe 'ONLY'?)
be workable? There's certainly SQL standard concerns to be thought of
here which might precldue anything we do with SELECT, but we could
support something with COPY.
> Tools like pg_dump would require direct_table_access, but there might
> be other levels of access that didn't error out.
pg_dump would need an option to set direct_table_access or not. Having
it ask by default is acceptable to me, but I do think we need to be able
to tell it to *not* set that.
> I think if I were using RLS, I would definitely want/expect this level
> of fine-grained control over permissions on a per-table basis, rather
> than the superuser/non-superuser level of control, or having
> RLS-exempt users.
I agree that it'd be great to have- and we need to make sure we don't
paint ourselves into a corner with the initial versions. What I'm
worried about is that we're going to end up feature-creeping this to
death and ending up with nothing in 9.5. I'll try to get a wiki page
going to discuss these items (as mentioned up-thread) and we can look at
prioritizing them and looking at what dependencies exist on other parts
of the system and seeing what's required for the initial version.
> Actually, given the fact that the majority of users won't be using
> RLS, I would be tempted to invert the above logic and have the new
> privilege be for LIMITED access (via RLS quals). So a user granted the
> normal SELECT privilege would be able to bypass RLS, but a user only
> granted LIMITED SELECT wouldn't.
This I don't agree with- it goes against what is done on existing
systems afaik and part of the idea is that you can minimize changes to
the applications or users but still be able to curtail what they can
see. Making regular SELECTs start erroring if they haven't set some GUC
because RLS has been implemented on a given table would be quite
annoying, imv.
Now, that said, wouldn't the end user be able to control this for their
particular environment by setting the GUC accordingly in
postgresql.conf? I'd still argue that it should be defaulted to what I
view as the 'normal' case, where RLS is applied unless you asked for
your queries to error instead, but if a user wants to have it flipped
around the other way, they could update their postgresql.conf to make it
so.
Thanks,
Stephen
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