On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Josh Berkus <j...@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Daniel, > >> I'm not going to disagree with that, I only feel it's reasonable to >> ask why those who react so strongly against deprecation why they think >> what they do, and receive a clinical response, because not everyone >> has seen those use cases. My level of interest in deprecation is only >> as far as "if those who have to deal with the RULES implementation >> don't want to work on it anymore in favor of other things, I think the >> pain to users of deprecation is, from my vantage point, manageable if >> given some time." > > Note that you have heard from one of the people maintaining RULES, who > doesn't find them problematic to maintain (Tom). Note that the original > hackers calling for deprecation do not work on RULEs except where they > touch other features. > > And I'll say again: if you want a full list of use-cases for RULEs, you > need to go further than the -hackers list. This is a small, insular > community which does not represent the majority of PostgreSQL users. > You have gone to Heroku's users, but given the nature of your user base, > they seem like the least likely group of people to use RULEs. That's > like me polling a bunch of Data Warehousing geeks and then declaring > that we don't really need SERIALIZABLE.
I have tried very assiduously to avoid generalizing, even though perhaps I have failed. I made a false assumption that nobody wanted to work with RULES that I am very sorry for. What I do not like, and stand by, is that I did not like the form of terse dismissal of even the idea of deprecation, with a feeling that it is entirely unnecessary to explain that assessment in any detail for dozens of emails. I don't think it's a healthy thing, especially for a community where (traditionally) deprecation comes up so seldom. I don't think this took place on the other deprecation threads so much that spawned in this one's wake. I can only offer the data I have. Please do not over-read in what I have been trying to communicate, or conflate my position with those of other individuals, if you feel there is a chance of that. Let us please consider the matter resolved unless you feel you have more pointers for me -- anyone can send them to me individually, perhaps. I am not soldiering for the deprecation of RULES, but rather the community's approach to but a suggestion of certain kinds of change. Perhaps this is but a one-off, because discussion in the other threads has been seemingly healthier. -- fdr -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
