Hi, I would like to be Mentor for Funded Reviewers. My mission will be: 1) We are empowered to create a better world together. 2) Together we co-create our existence. 3) Together we make Postgresql project a success. I am looking for long and fruitful association with Postgresql.
I will require to get training in technical, functional and culture of postgresql. Pl let me know, if you decide positively. Regards, Vijay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua D. Drake" <j...@commandprompt.com> Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:00 am Subject: Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers To: Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> Cc: Richard Broersma <richard.broer...@gmail.com>, Simon Riggs <si...@2ndquadrant.com>, Josh Berkus <j...@agliodbs.com>, pgsql-rrreview...@postgresql.org, postgres hackers <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org> > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:15 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma > > <richard.broer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs > <si...@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: > > >> You're paying the reviewers; are you paying the mentors? > > > > > > The answer to this question is that we can fund mentor > (teacher). However, > > > the amount to fund a mentor would be significantly less that > the amount to > > > fund a reviewer (student). The mentors are part of the > educational process. > > > > Usually, in an educational process, it's the teachers who get paid, > > and the students who have to pay to get educated. I realize > this is > > somewhat different because we want to encourage people to get > involved> in the project, but it still seems weird. > > Not somewhat, completely. Most of the "teachers" we have are already > getting paid to work on PostgreSQL. There are some exceptions of > coursebut if you look at the list of people that are qualified to > actuallyreview code, they are getting paid *for PostgreSQL*. > > Now, that isn't to say you don't bring up a good point, you do. I > thinkit may be worthwhile to find a way to also compensate mentors > but as you > say the goal here is encourage people to get involved. However > there is > the underlying goal of educating future PostgreSQL contributors, and > let's face it --- reviewing code sucks and money is a great motivator > (especially in today's economy or if you are a starving student). > > > And I actually kind of > > agree with David Fetter. Aside from the scenario he mentioned > (people> who don't get paid stop volunteering, a phenomenon that > has been > > documented to occur in other contexts), > > You have people that are in it for the money. There is nothing wrong > with that. Hopefully through this grant they will gain enough > skill and > public notice to pick up a job where they might be able to give > back to > the community on a paid basis (probably not, but maybe). > > If people stop volunteering cause there is no money, then we care why? > They are likely not vested in the community anyway. Either way, the > mission has been accomplished. They were paid to be educated and learn > the review/commitfest process, they did so. If they wish to move on, > that's up to them. > > Do we want them to stay? Of course! However, I fail how to see the > concern has anything to do with the grant process. > > > there's also the problem that > > people might sign up to get the money but then do a lousy job. > > Well that is the risk we all face and if the mentor feedback was that > the person did a lousy job (let's assume they were just lazy, not that > they tried really hard but weren't up to the task), then they > would risk > ever receiving future grants. > > > People > > sometimes do a lousy job now too, but at least we can count on the > > fact that everyone who signs up to do it has some intrinsic > > motivation. > > I think anyone who is going to make it through a grant process > specifically for this purpose is going to have some intrinsic > motivationbeyond money. We aren't talking about shelling out 50k here. > > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > > -- > PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor > Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 509.416.6579 > Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering > http://twitter.com/cmdpromptinc | http://identi.ca/commandprompt > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers > -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
