On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:48:43PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 01:57 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: > > Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> writes: > > > I posted a note about a week ago which drew far less commentary > > > than I expected, regarding the timetable for the release of 8.5. > > > > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2009-08/msg01256.php > > > > > Perhaps this is already being discussed on -core, but if so the > > > conclusions haven't been shared publicly. > > > > Core hasn't discussed 8.5 schedule since the discussions that > > Peter summarized in the message you cited above. I share your > > concern that "release in time for PGCon" isn't very realistic if > > we don't get more aggressive about schedule. On the other hand, > > we didn't get all that much done in this fest. If we cut back to > > a three-fest schedule I think we may succeed in releasing 8.5 > > early, but only because there is nothing interesting in it :-(. > > Dunno where the right balance is. > > General comment on thread: > > The level of detailed planning happening now is a change for the > community and in general I think it's a good thing. In the past > we've always said it will be shipped when it's ready, and now we > seem to be caught by our own rules. There's no need to make hard > decisions now. Let's keep some flexibility in our thinking. If the > structures give us problems, lets change the structures. The idea is > the plans help the developers, not hinder them or make it harder to > include big features. > > In my view it is important that I have a holistic view of what I am > doing and that means it is very difficult for others to help in a > way that doesn't merely hinder me (or Fujii-san). Speed of coding is > not the issue here, nor is the number of hands on a keyboard. > > I don't share the doubts or fears expressed that the two big patches > will not make it into Postgres in this release. We now have more > people experienced in these areas of code than at any other time in > our history. We have almost-complete solutions from experienced > developers. In particular, I have faith in Fujii-san. > > I would appreciate it if somebody could send out some messages of > calm, while I/we work. The time for open review will come around > soon enough.
With all due respect, the time for open review is now. You have already tried closed development several times, and it each time has been, more or less, a spectacular failure. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter <da...@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fet...@gmail.com Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
